I seem to remember that you used to live in Cordoba? I'm going to be there for a couple of days next week. Can you help me have a good time?
Um..hello TMO, I realise that this is a bit specific, so here's a random question for everybody else:
If your undewear matched your current mood, what would you be wearing?
Pants y-Front: I would be wearing pants of fire which would smite mine enemies.
PS this preview pane thing is no fun is it, it takes the have-I-fucked-the-UBB? frisson right out of posting.
EDIT - typing fail.
[ 17.11.2009, 08:48: Message edited by: Niffer ]
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
slightly worn out featurless black trunks. Which I am wearing. And wear every day.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
I've been to cordoba. It's so hot that you can't move and it feels like you're going to die in the street.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
No wonder Taylor Swift turned you down, dude.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
There's a big old Mosque which is quite nice if you're into that kind of thing.
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
Er, right, well, it depends on what you like doing, really, but here's some help:
The Cathedral-Mosque, obviously. Marvel at the forest of columns, ponder its wonderfulness, be amazed at the juxtoposition of three religions, one god, under the same roof, etc.
Most visits to the Mosque are followed by a beer and a slice of tortilla from Bar Santos, on the, er, east side of the Courtyard of Ablutions.
Talking of food, I absolutely insist that you go here. You can tell them you're a friend of mine if you like. I never used to bother ordering there, and just asked Charo the chef to cook whatever she thought I'd like.
A walk across the Roman Bridge is quite nice. For 'nightlife', Soul bar on Claudio Marcelo was always quite popular, as were the bars on Carnicerías, though I have no idea whether they're still there and what the general movida is.
How is that for starters? Where are you staying? What are you doing there. Etc.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
yes it has a variety of different kinds of architecture, quite strikingly contrasted.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ringo: There's a big old Mosque which is quite nice if you're into that kind of thing.
Thanks Ringo.
Now tell me about your pants. Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
ringo wears those ones that steve-o wears, where you don't have anything covering your bottom, just two elastic straps under your cheeks.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
quote:Originally posted by mart: Er, right, well, it depends on what you like doing, really, but here's some help:
The Cathedral-Mosque, obviously. Marvel at the forest of columns, ponder its wonderfulness, be amazed at the juxtoposition of three religions, one god, under the same roof, etc.
Most visits to the Mosque are followed by a beer and a slice of tortilla from Bar Santos, on the, er, east side of the Courtyard of Ablutions.
Talking of food, I absolutely insist that you go here. You can tell them you're a friend of mine if you like. I never used to bother ordering there, and just asked Charo the chef to cook whatever she thought I'd like.
A walk across the Roman Bridge is quite nice. For 'nightlife', Soul bar on Claudio Marcelo was always quite popular, as were the bars on Carnicerías, though I have no idea whether they're still there and what the general movida is.
How is that for starters? Where are you staying? What are you doing there. Etc.
Cool, thanks muchly. It's a combination of work and holiday, I have a meeting in Madrid on Friday one in Cadiz on Wednesday and one in Seville on Thursday.
Now I love Madrid but I've not seen much of Adulusia, so I figured I'd have a bit of a nose around.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
why are you back on tmo, the niffer.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: ringo wears those ones that steve-o wears, where you don't have anything covering your bottom, just two elastic straps under your cheeks.
Figures.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
yeah he's disgusting lol
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
Cádiz is lovely. Really really beautiful, delicious seafood.
Seville is just tiring, though very pretty.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: why are you back on tmo, the niffer.
I need a reason? I lurk but I don't play video games and I have really uninteresting lunches.
[ 17.11.2009, 09:10: Message edited by: Niffer ]
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
I just wondered why now. It's obviously lovely to see you again, the niffer.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
quote:Originally posted by mart: Cádiz is lovely. Really really beautiful, delicious seafood.
Seville is just tiring, though very pretty.
Yeah? I have friends in Seville so I'm just planning to sit back and be a passenger.
Mostly I'm just excited about the fact it'll be 20 degrees and sunny. God, I'm so English.
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Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: I just wondered why now. It's obviously lovely to see you again, the niffer.
Likewise, but I'm not doing you unless you get better pants, Kayne. I expected something with a bit more shizzle.
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
Yeah.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
surely black trunks are the best pants for men.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
I'm wearing some blue chequered boxer shorts. I'm nto sure what this says about me. I'm not sure how my current mood could be expressed via the medium of underwear to be honest.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
this would be more fun if you just posted a picture of your underwear, the niffer.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
Black trunks are good, it's the "slightly worn-ou" that frankly displays a lack of respect for your ho.
Don't worry Ringo, Benway's got it covered (or not) for you.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: this would be more fun if you just posted a picture of your underwear, the niffer.
Really?
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
While in a mosque.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
yeah, really.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
especially now my own underwear has been so cruelly dissed.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
and my attitude towards my girlfriend has been attacked.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
OK.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
You've really got me stumped now. I'm trying to think of a type of underpant that best represents boredom and apathy. And an overwhelming desire not to go shopping after work. Maybe a pair of plain grey underpants. Reasonable condition, fair quality, plain grey. Not overly comfy, but no danger of chafing. Just pure functional underpantage. Which deals with the boredom. What about apathy. Maybe they could be slightly soiled from a few days' use. Never cleaning or changing your underpants is a sign of an apathetic disposition.
How to express my desire not to go shopping though. Maybe a picture of a shopping centre on the arse, with a red line through it. Like a no smoking sign.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
The mosque may be more tricky though.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
I've been in a mosque. In morocco. Was okay.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
Did they have a view on you taking photographs of your underpants?
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
I can't remember. I didn't pay much attention. I was bored.
Posted by Hades (Member # 57) on :
quote:Originally posted by Niffer:
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: I just wondered why now. It's obviously lovely to see you again, the niffer.
Likewise, but I'm not doing you unless you get better pants, Kayne. I expected something with a bit more shizzle.
Thats a bit harsh, its not like he said white Y-fronts. That would be a crime
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
thanks Hades, at least somebody has my back around here.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: thanks Hades, at least somebody has my back around here.
I bet he does.
Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
quote:Originally posted by mart: ..top notch advice..
That cathedral mosque is awesome, probably looks even better now as they were halfway through restoring it when me and Ringo went there.
Plus Bar Santos is indeed a must-visit if you're at the mosque, lovely tortilla as I recall.
quote:losberengueles
Best fish I've ever had, beautiful place too..
Mart what was that little brewery bar we went to there where the big brass vat thing was actually in the corner of the room, do you remember? The dark beer in that place was rather good from what I recall..
I think your best best Niffer is just to pack Mart in your suitcase and take him with you..
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
I'm rocking black trunks too. They are not worn out. They might start being worn out soon. I need to get some new pants. St Michael pants are the best pants ever yo. But my pants are in a bit of a pant vortex. They seem to disappear. I might go out and buy a load of really new pants to show I have respect for my lady.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
I did say mine were only slightly worn out.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
What does only slightly worn out mean though? As in, you've worn them, or the elastic shows and they don't cling nicely anymore? How worn out are they?
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
I don't agree with the pant facism that's being shown on this thread. I've worn boxer shorts in the past that were pretty much in shreds, and it only adds to my scruffy, rakish charm. Like an old english sheepdog.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
I don't know. People aren't being told what type of pants to wear, just that their pants don't look so abused that they'd be a guest star in a Conan comic.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
I'm also wearing black trunks, but mine don't have as much urine dried into them as most of yours.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
nah, no elastic showing, still pretty snug, not baggy or nothing. Just not as black as they used to be.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Having more than 4cm of cotton between rips is the mark of vanity and arrogance, and probably means you spend more time shopping for pants than you do pleasuring your special lady friend.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
I had a hangover and my pants were on backwards all morning. Now they are facing correctly, fly to porcelain, nd like mirac! my hangover has gone.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
Although the cure may not have been the pant rotation but rather the two lunchtime doghairs, enjoyed while watching Doctor Who and the Mars Drinks on a laptop in a dirty pub. Marvellous. All kids TV should end with a suicide.
Posted by Tilde (Member # 1215) on :
Well, they do seem to be pushing things in that direction. Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
Is that Mat Lucas's husband?
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
No it's Matt Damon's retarded brother.
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: No it's Matt Damon's retarded brother.
Two retards in one family. Harsh.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
quote:Originally posted by Niffer: Two retards in one family.
That's Charlie Sheen's latest, right?
Posted by Niffer (Member # 266) on :
quote:Originally posted by jonesy999:
quote:Originally posted by Niffer: Two retards in one family.
That's Charlie Sheen's latest, right?
Yes, although I think it also stars Matt Damon, playing himself. If that helps you distinguish it from any of his other movies.
I understand he will be wearing pristine black trunks.
[ 18.11.2009, 11:18: Message edited by: Niffer ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Harsh. I thought he was ace in The Departed. In fact just thinking about some of the little moments in that ("Yeah, it works. It works overtime!") are bringing a little smile to my face.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
Man, I'm properly ashamed of the fact that I can barely recall any of The Departed, apart from the opening couple of minutes. And that's a film made in, what, 2006? I know I've seen it, I know I enjoyed it but it's just gone. I think the days when I used to sink a bottle of wine and beyond while watching a film have effectively deleted entire experiences from my matrix. What a cnut.
Is Martin Sheen in The Departed? Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Yes he is. Martin Sheen, Mark Wahlberg, Jack Nicholson, Ray Winstone, Leonardo DiCaprio , and it also features Alec Baldwin in his second ever decent performance.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
The more I think about it, the more I want to watch it again, if only for the bit where Alec Baldwin beats the crap out of someone for putting the cameras in the wrong place. I'd love to suddenly flip out and beat the crap out of someone at work because they fucked up.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
all I remember about that film is lol'ing in disbelief when a rat runs across a balcony as the characters are trying to find the 'rat' in their organization. Watch the Infernal Affairs films instead.
Posted by Tilde (Member # 1215) on :
I thought it was a really good film at the time, but I didn't realise it was a remake of a previous film, and scrolling through imdb comments, I realise that I was wrong, I'm sorry.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
sorry is a good start. I'll give you my email address if you like, and you can check in with me before you watch a film, read a book, listen to any music, turn on the tv, or play xbox. I'll be able to steer you in the correct direction.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
i get email pushed to my phone, so don't worry about having sit around waiting for your choices and thoughts to be authenticated.
Posted by Tilde (Member # 1215) on :
Thanks. Maybe you should think about offering this out as a subscription based service.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
at the moment it's ad supported, but we're thinking of moving to an ad free paid service. Currently working out some benefits with interested partners.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
i just had a cup of piping hot freshly ground coffee and a cigarette while listening to roy orbison's 'in dreams' and had a bit of a moment. everything was alright for about three minutes.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: all I remember about that film is lol'ing in disbelief when a rat runs across a balcony as the characters are trying to find the 'rat' in their organization. Watch the Infernal Affairs films instead.
I've already explained on here why The Departed is much better than Infernal Affairs. I can paste in here as well, if you enjoy being reminded why you're wrong.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
no thanks.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
You can read it towards the bottom of this page. You'll also see that where Team Departed gets Vogon Poetess, Team Infernal Affairs gets Boy Racer of all people. Defend that and stay fashionable, eh.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Basically Infernal Affairs appears to be the better film, but only if you view it through the prism of being a dickhead.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
hmm, it seems that you were unable to properly appraise the film, instead you resorted to simply pointing out how you were unable to watch it without trying to fit it into the stylistic and thematic template that you're used to experiencing with Hollywood films. A good attempt though.
[ 19.11.2009, 06:24: Message edited by: Kanye West ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Man, I'd forgotten about this...
quote:Actually, speaking of hard boiled, there were a couple of moments that really made me wince - suprisingly for a film that's been so praised for it's style and originality. There's a scene near the start where the police chief gives a present to the undercover (begging to come in from the cold), who has forgotten his own birthday. Incredibly this scene is lifted precisely - and I mean precisely - from Hard Boiled, even down to featuring the same actor in the undercover cop role. The only difference is that here he gets a watch instead of a cigarette lighter.
What a load of shit. Still it's forren SO IT MUST BE BRILLIANT.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: hmm, it seems that you were unable to properly appraise the film, instead you resorted to simply pointing out how you were unable to watch it without trying to fit it into the stylistic and thematic template that you're used to experiencing with Hollywood films.
Are you suggesting that the wholesale lifting of scenes and themes from other films is somehow a cultural trope? I wonder if maybe on Hong Kong message boards you get people saying "I know How To Lose Friends and Alienate People looks derivative and stupid but you're just not able to process it through the correct cultural filters" as a way of explaining away plagiarism and cliche.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
man, so many classic benway moments on that thread. The little skit about andy serkis acting the part of the bouncing bomb was great. I lol'd, just now.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: hmm, it seems that you were unable to properly appraise the film, instead you resorted to simply pointing out how you were unable to watch it without trying to fit it into the stylistic and thematic template that you're used to experiencing with Hollywood films.
Are you suggesting that the wholesale lifting of scenes and themes from other films is somehow a cultural trope?
I think it helps to think of these films - the HK police procedural / gangster flicks - as existing in a kind of fabric or inter-weaving than as a series of completely separate films. Anthony Wong especially seems to play the same characters in a number of films, and some stories are re-told repeatedly just in slightly different ways. I think that HK audiences are used to this, and there seems to be a much stronger relationship between actors and their expected roles than you'd have in Hollywood.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: Anthony Wong especially seems to play the same characters in a number of films, and some stories are re-told repeatedly just in slightly different ways.
If that's the case then it seems to me that The Departed fits quite neatly and cleverly into that tradition. If Hong Kong crime thrillers are about replaying stories with a kind of 'variations on a theme' approach, then an American take is an interesting thing to add to the mix - allowing potential news readings of both the Hong Kong and American versions. The idea of "stick with Internal Affairs" seems even more stupid within this context, where the constant retelling of a story is partly the point.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
lol, i forgot that he played the same character in The Departed as he did in Infernal Affairs. I agree that it's 'interesting' to see an American take on the story, I was just inferring that Infernal Affairs is a better film ie, if you're going to watch one, 'stick with Infernal Affairs'. I mention the fabric element to defend the more HK elements of the film, things that might be alien to the inexperienced viewer. But, yes, why not watch both I suppose, if you've got time to kill. Fuck it, why not watch all three Infernal Affairs films if you're going to go for it.
[ 19.11.2009, 07:12: Message edited by: Kanye West ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: I was just inferring that Infernal Affairs is a better film
You were implying that it's a better film. I was inferring that you'd fallen into the film nerd stance where foreign automatically equals 'better', being a self-flattering position implying that the person holding it is more worldly, more experienced, more cultured.
[ 19.11.2009, 07:15: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
I know that's where you think I come from, but it's really not, and your obsession with trying to prove this seems to highlight your own insecurities, or at least, something quite personal to you, rather than my supposed cultural elitism.
[ 19.11.2009, 07:16: Message edited by: Kanye West ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
It's more like... that's the only possible reason that I can see anyone preferring the Hong Kong film. People - yourself included - have joked about Boy Racer having exactly this kind of cultural elitism, and it seems natural to me that he would immediately fall to defending something that was more exotic, implied broader knowledge and - in some senses - less obvious. It's like always saying "...but of course, the book is so much better" as a way of letting people... I dunno - know that you can read, or whatever it is that motivates people to trot this out at every opportunity.
If I was insecure about this, as you claim, surely I would have done the same thing: immediately started banging on about how much better the Asian version was, how stupid and facile the Hollywood version and so on and so forth, lest people think I was an ignorant savage who couldn't watch subtitled films.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
So you're saying that I cannot possibly prefer the film that is not The Departed, and that actually, I'm either lying to myself when I think do, or I'm lying to everybody when I say I do, because all I really care about is increasing my perceived cultural..something... in the eyes of my peers? See, this seems more like your problem than mine in that you can't get past this perception of the world / yourself, and you apply to others as well. I think this goes round the other way, and demonstrates your own belief that in fact, you appreciate the arts in a more 'meaningful' way than others, that your critical skills are more honed than those of your peers. I think that this has been demonstrated in the past by own obsession with needing to be seen to appreciate 'low' and 'high' cultural output in equal measure.
This longstanding obsession with 'proving' that what others state when criticising creative output is merely a self-serving tool to boost their own outward image and self-image really just reflects on you more than anything else - because it neccesarily puts you in a position of 'uber-critic' - somebody with the ability to determine actual criticism from self-serving wankery. But sadly, it just proves almost the opposite, and certainly points towards your insecurity. Why the need to prove this anyway? You should ask yourself that.
[ 19.11.2009, 07:38: Message edited by: Kanye West ]
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
I hope that everybody is enjoying this!
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: I think this goes round the other way, and demonstrates your own belief that in fact, you appreciate the arts in a more 'meaningful' way than others, that your critical skills are more honed than those of your peers.
Mmm. To put this in context this comes immediately after your jokey post about offering a service whereby you 'give' people their 'correct' opinions. I did start writing something along the lines of Thorn Davis Opinions Are the Official Sponsors of the 2006 Academy Awards. Beware of Cheaper Competitors.
But I couldn't really make it work, and thought maybe it was obvious enough anyway. So yes, I like the American film better, but the idea of there being an absolutely correct opinion to have seemed to have been laid out on the thread before I posted and it seemed reasonable enough to run with it. It's a joke that's been made a few times, so it seemed fair game to carry on with it. I didn't expect a sudden "Actually my mum died of an objectively correct opinion" shift in tone.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: I hope that everybody is enjoying this!
Immensely!
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
hey, I'm joking too.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
I wasn't saying it was a 'joke' exactly, just that the idea of there being an 'absolute truth' was the arena you'd already chosen to fight in.
Anyway! If you want, we can move away from Hong Kong films now and I can address your other comments.
[ 19.11.2009, 08:03: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
it's up to you, man. We can carry on if you like, or we can leave it. I don't mind either way!
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Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
look at us, editing our posts like a pair of pretty bitches.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
My retort to your first paragraph was basically to say that surely by accusing me of this you're doing the same thing ie: I know you are I said you are but what am I, and my retort to your second paragraph was to point out that I'm just using similar tactics to the kind of thing another poster used to use to wind me up ie: ben done it first. However, looking at those retorts in an unembellished form robbed me of the desire to dress them up in fancy language and send them out to play.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
what?
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
OK then...
quote:So you're saying that I cannot possibly prefer the film that is not The Departed, and that actually, I'm either lying to myself when I think do, or I'm lying to everybody when I say I do, because all I really care about is increasing my perceived cultural..something... in the eyes of my peers? See, this seems more like your problem than mine in that you can't get past this perception of the world / yourself, and you apply to others as well. I think this goes round the other way, and demonstrates your own belief that in fact, you appreciate the arts in a more 'meaningful' way than others, that your critical skills are more honed than those of your peers. I think that this has been demonstrated in the past by own obsession with needing to be seen to appreciate 'low' and 'high' cultural output in equal measure.
Surely the obvious response to this is "So you're saying that I cannot possibly the things I like, and that actually, I'm either lying to myself when I think do, or I'm lying to everybody when I say I do, because all I really care about is increasing my perceived cultural..something... in the eyes of my peers? See, this seems more like your problem than mine in that you can't get past this perception of the world / yourself, and you apply to others as well."
quote:This longstanding obsession with 'proving' that what others state when criticising creative output is merely a self-serving tool to boost their own outward image and self-image really just reflects on you more than anything else - because it neccesarily puts you in a position of 'uber-critic' - somebody with the ability to determine actual criticism from self-serving wankery. But sadly, it just proves almost the opposite, and certainly points towards your insecurity. Why the need to prove this anyway? You should ask yourself that.
I would say that's a tactic that's been used fairly consistently on TMO, and it's employed more in spirited fun, rather than as the grim-countenanced obsession that you paint it as here. Ben always used to wind me up when he talked about fans of super-hero films in a similar kind of way, but it seems absurd to try and reposition that approach as some kind of personality defect.
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
yes, but I was just joking around, not actually suggesting that there's something wrong with you. Doesn't the line "you should ask yourself that" give it away? Seems like you took it too seriously. Perhaps you should ask yourself why. Maybe there is something wrong with you after all.
[ 19.11.2009, 08:42: Message edited by: Kanye West ]
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
This really doesn't fit into any topic but you all must see it.
