[ 10.02.2005, 05:15: Message edited by: Dr. Benway ]
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
If they immediately declare a National Public Holiday and Royal Free Bar, yes, bless them, what a delightful couple. If not, fahk'm.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
This is hotter news. People crushed at Ikea store opening! People were so keen to get to the new Ikea store opening in North London that they abandoned their cars, and, when the staff closed the shop doors because people were queuejumping, started charging at the doors! People ended up in hospital! People are insane!
You should make a horror film about that, Benway. People going nuts at Ikea opening. People chopping off their balls when people lose at sport. A crazy people series. It would be awesome! We just need one more crazy people news story and we're there.
[ 10.02.2005, 05:30: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
I think it's really nice. They have been in love for about 3 decades, how many relationships can boast of that? So what if she's not the prettiest lady around, I don't know that "horse face" is really a necessary thing to say. Why be sneering of her? Looks doesn't indicate worth, or indeed, worthiness for love. You know that, I know you know that.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
That's just sooooooo Don Delillo/George Romero. It would be hard to make a film about it, but maybe a short story, told from the perspective of a child who finds herself in the middle of the crush, and watches in horror as her family transforms into a bunch of screeching puce-faced battering rams. But, you're right. That's well up my alley - thanks Lahndan!
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
I was just brewing up a thread on that story, but I think that Charles and Camel would be honoured to have their Thread By Appointment hijacked in this way so:
Yes, it's weird isn't it. I've been down IKEA a few times over the years and, whichever branch and whichever day of the week, the fucking place is always crammed full. And it's ginormous, so it takes some filling. Weirdly, there is an Allders At Home shop near us and I've been in there about three times and that place is always heaving with humins as well. Why is that?
Actuall, pretty much all shops are full most the time now I think about it, except BHS. I've been in BHS about four times and I keep thinking there must have been a fire alarm just before I got there. Is there some sort of hypnotism going on here? Why is BHS empty and Allders At Home crammed full when they both sell the same shite?
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: Why is BHS empty and Allders At Home crammed full when they both sell the same shite?
Was the relative emptiness of the two shops the key issue up for debate in your prospective thread, Dang?
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
I heard the Ikea story on the radio this morning. Until now I thought it was a dream. Obviously I don't want to laugh at people being potentially crushed to death, not least because of the current Thorn Davis Acts Concerned climate but I do think the Ikea Riot is some fucking funny shit.
[ 10.02.2005, 05:41: Message edited by: jonesy999 ]
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
I saw the Ikea story this morning and (sadly) the first thought that crossed my mind when I heard about a near riot and a stabbing at the opening of an IKEA was "How typically English"
No surprise, no shock, no curious wonderment.
That made me quite sad.
I really can't imagine it happening anywhere else though, except Scotland.
Charlie and Tamilla though means only one thing, Charlie has finally given up all thoughts and hopes of ever being King and were all set for King Billy in a few years time.
Still better him than that **** Harry.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Unfortunately nobody was crushed to death though - just squashed a bit. People were hospitalised, and there was a stabbing down the road, but apparently it was unrelated. I like to think that the stabber and stabbee were infused with just a little bit of Ikea Madness(TM), though.
Edit: this was in response to Jonesey's assertion that people were 'crushed to death'. I now note that he has inserted a 'potentially' into his post. Bastard.
[ 10.02.2005, 06:03: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Unbelievable! It was at midnight too, though that kind of makes sense. The kind of person who goes to Ikea at Midnight on a Tuesday really is the kind of deranged imbecile that would batter down the doors and trample other human's half to death just to get their paws on a wobbly bookcase they plan not to fill with books but rather special edition DVDs of The Fifth Element, Big Momma's House and Flubber.
I dunno, I've been to Ikea twice and it seemed sort of OK and we did get an awful lot of stuff we needed, for not much money which was important because we were setting up home in London on a combined salary of about 38K. Even so, it seems like a whole new barrel of craziness to turn into a baying pack of insane monkeys at a furniture shop. I mean when you hear about it at a football match, or a metal gig it sort of makes more sense, but people losing it over flat pack Swedish furniture beggars belief.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
CHEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAPPPP BEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: Charles and Camel
hoho I see what you did there dang! Reminiscent of the Bardot-saga to my eyes.
Anyway, they were saying on the radio this morning that incidents like these have occured at Ikea events before, just not in the UK, and there are questions as to whether Ikea should have been more prepared. They did have a plan to have a 24 hour opening and staggered offers which they hoped would stop a mad crush (not their words, natch) and services were on hand to help out though.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Even so, it seems like a whole new barrel of craziness to turn into a baying pack of insane monkeys at a furniture shop. I mean when you hear about it at a football match, or a metal gig it sort of makes more sense, but people losing it over flat pack Swedish furniture beggars belief.
Maybe it's some kind of Design Revolution? I thought it was just me going all apeshit over C20th design classics, Danish design, Scandi Style and the rest: subscribing to Elle Deco, trotting round the Design Museum and the Geffrye Museum, fantasising, with almost sexual fervour, of parking my arse on one those fibreglass shell Eames chairs with the twisted spindle of legs underneath; all the rest - I thought it was just me, because I was a sophisticated urbanite lady in her early 30s and that's just what we do... but maybe it's more generalised? Are you all feeling this? Are we getting taken over by a race of design-obsessed aliens? After all, it's not very British to give a shit about this shit, is it? What's the darker masterplan behind Ikea?
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Unfortunately nobody was crushed to death though - just squashed a bit.
This exact thing happened a month or so ago in Saudi Arabia, but with actual deaths ---->carnage Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
This is fucking sinister.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Edit: this was in response to Jonesey's assertion that people were 'crushed to death'. I now note that he has inserted a 'potentially' into his post. Bastard.
Blimey. It's impossible to hide anything in this place. That was up there for, like, 5 seconds. Just long enough for me to realise that Thorn would pounce and say something like "But nobody was crushed to death, were they Jonesy? I mean, what kind of idiot compares a couple of people being leaned on next to a flat pack sideboard with Tom Boy laughing at some poor vitimised handicapper cutting his testicles off for the entertainment of a gurgling pub full of inebriated Welsh mongoloids? I dunno, maybe it's just me but that seems a pretty stupid comparison to make."
'Blimey' really isn't Plissken, is it?
[ 10.02.2005, 06:09: Message edited by: jonesy999 ]
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
I shun all of that kind of shit. I went to Habitat recently, under duress, and I could feel the desperate aspiration pooling and dripping from the ceiling, as if the floor above was piled high with the fresh corpses of childhood dreams.
C is into Ikea, what with her being scandi and everything, and we made regular trips on the A406 to the palace of things that crouched amongst deserted council estates. I have always hated it.
Perhaps if I lived somewhere other than a skanky vermin infested bedsit, my interest in interior design might be fuelled. I do try and consciously avoid product fetishism, as it seems nothing more than a horrible undending competition, but again, this could be down to me being a broke ass ho. In the past, I have spent ridiculous amounts on clothes, so maybe I'm lying to myself, and all of my friends and enemies on TMO. Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
quote: ...staggered offers...
I didnt hear anything about staggerd offers in the blanket TV and radio promotion of this event (yes we listen to Heart FM at work! Lucky lucky me!), so maybe they should have emphasised that a bit more.
They have been whipping the city into a frenzy for weeks! Heads must roll!
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
They interviewed the manager of the store on Radio 4 because they were saying this has happened in other countries before, why weren't they more prepared and he said that they planned to be open for 24 hours and were staggering the offers throughout the 24 hours to try to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: I do try and consciously avoid product fetishism, as it seems nothing more than a horrible undending competition, but again, this could be down to me being a broke ass ho. In the past, I have spent ridiculous amounts on clothes, so maybe I'm lying to myself, and all of my friends and enemies on TMO.
I think you are - I think you're lying right to our fucking faces. I remember you posting some designer website link and saying it was one of the sites you browsed to kill time at work, and how you liked checking out all the nice shit. I mocked it for having a mirror that cost £500, and you defended it by pointing out that it was a very nice looking mirror, and that that would make it worth £500. Some name calling ensued (on my part, obviously) and then Octavia mediated by pointing out that the mirror wasn't even bevelled glass, which is the only thing that makes a mirror worth paying extra for as it reflects light into the room.
Oh, And because i don't think he's worth expending my 7000th post on I'd also like to say ha-fucking-ha Jonesy, look at the clever little Mynah bird. Wanker. So anyway. That's it from me, i guess. I don't want to spunk a 7000 on something worthless and at the same time I'm incapable of wit or innovation so maybe it'll never happen. Hoo nose.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
lol sorry I am stuck on repeat this morning due to being slightly hungover round the edges. I realise I didn't actually say anything different that time apart from "Radio 4". Sorry Abby.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
Thorn's working on something big, isn't he?
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
Oh yeah, I remember that. That was a good site. I'd forgotten about my past life, before fight club. I was looking at my bank statements last night (I know! But I'm due to be evicted, so I need to), and I couldn't believe how much I was getting paid back then. It was nearly twice as much as now.
Anyway, I did indeed enjoy looking at designer furniture that I could potentially fill 114b Avenue Mansions with. Call me reformed. Sorry TMO. I'm just deluded.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
I suppose the bizarre thing about IKEA is that it is both cheap and trendy and therefore both types of consumer steam in to the same place at the same time and carnage ensues.
People like me would go down there because they sell, for example, a large, reasonably strong bookshelf which you can chuck in the back of the car and have installed at home within an hour, all nice and neutral and fitting in pretty much anywhere, all for about £30.
A trendy would go down there because they can make their whole front room look like the set of Footballers' Wives for about two grand.
This coincidence of cheapskate and wannabe is presumably fairly unique to IKEA. I mean, you wouldn't get the same combination at the local handmade kitchen and tile shop, or at MFI. They have two completely different sets of customers, IKEA has both together.
Would Radio 4 want to interview me do you think?
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Do you think it's bad that you left that job, Benway? Do you regret that decision?
Re: Thorn doing something big for 7000. What could it be? I am wondering what he could pull off that would be of the magnitude of, say, that time Ben said that if he got enough responses on a certain thread he would post a picture of his scanned-in cock... and then DID. What would we like Thorn to do? What is there left for Thorn to do?
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Do you think it's bad that you left that job, Benway? Do you regret that decision?
No, but it amazes me that I ever had it in the first place. I quite like that I had that kind of life for a year, because most people with my level of talent, skill, aspiration and commitment would never normally reach those dizzy heights. I'm not cut out for a life of German cars, restaurants, health, and comfort. For example: Last night, I spent the evening drinking opium infused cough medicine, washed down with Jack Daniels and painkillers. People who work at Ernst and Young don't do that kind of thing.
in other news
IKEA is not trendy.
Posted by George the Robot (Member # 681) on :
If Thorn gets to 7000 posts I'll cut my balls off.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: in other news
IKEA is not trendy.
Oh, right. I wouldn't know. What's the definition of trendy then? I mean, if it means thousands and millions of people all buying the same thing - qv 4x4 cars, Burberry hats, pink track suits with glitter on, fur boots and rolled up jeans or, er, IKEA furniture - then I would class IKEA as trendy. If it means a few in crowd persons drinking in a specific bar this week and a different one next week then you're right as IKEA has been, er, popular for years and years without end.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
If you don't know Dang, then you're not on the bus. Sorry.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: If you don't know Dang, then you're not on the bus. Sorry.
I think that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me. Thank you.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: 4x4 cars, Burberry hats, pink track suits with glitter on, fur boots and rolled up jeans
= common
quote: specific bar this week and a different one next week
= trendy and ephemeral
IKEA = best or, indeed, worst of both worlds
[ 10.02.2005, 06:59: Message edited by: herbs ]
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by herbs: common
trendy and ephemeral
IKEA = best or, indeed, worst of both worlds
Yes, but IKEA is more than that because it also embraces someone like me who is neither common (er, by the Burberry tracksuit definition) nor trendy and ephemeral (wouldn't have a clue mate). I mean, even the massive gigantomarkets like Tesco and Sainsbury filter different types of customers. IKEA seems to attract everyone. Is there anyone here who has never bought anything from IKEA, even if they did sneer the whole way round the showroom?
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: It would be awesome! We just need one more crazy people news story and we're there.
Why the hell would you want to marry someone who wants your best mate to get off with their dog? That's just sick.
Posted by Fionnula the Cooler (Member # 453) on :
I dunno, saltrock - cats in wifebeaters are pretty hot, I reckon.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
*prays for Raz and cat prin*
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Posted by Boy Racer (Member # 498) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: It would be awesome! We just need one more crazy people news story and we're there.
"The sponsorship of the brown ball really puts the fun back into snooker..."
God, it really does doesn't it. When does the tournament start? I can't wait. If only Formula 1 would do something this exciting.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
what the article doesn't mention, is that for his sponsorship cash, Jimmy is required to only pot the brown balls, to drink HP instead of water and to wear a costume that looks like a bottle of HP.
Posted by saltrock (Member # 622) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fionnula the Cooler: I dunno, saltrock - cats in wifebeaters are pretty hot, I reckon.
No. I'm sorry, but NO!
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
Following on from Chas loves Horse Face and Charles and Camel to wed, I notice that other forums I visit while waiting for Thorn to post have thread titles like, Prince Charles to marry a trog and Prince Charles to marry Rod Hull. Have any other people got examples of how this joyful and heartwarming news has been announced elsewhere?
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
Daily Mail:
Charles gets it right!
'I won't divorce like Diana', weeps Camilla. Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
Heat: 'Scraggy Bitch'
Cellulite up to her forehead - Shocking pics!
Sport: Camilla Upskirt Frenzy!
Camilla's night of lust in six girl lesbo orgy
Morning Star: 'Tzarist 'marriage ritual' to go ahead:'
More pits to close
[ 10.02.2005, 10:39: Message edited by: Dr. Benway ]
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
Horse Faced Gazette: 'Beauty and the Beast'
Jug Ears to marry Camilla Posted by damo (Member # 722) on :
channel 5 local news this morning mentioned this. and then said she wouldn't be known as queen camilla, but her royal highness the duchess of cornwall.
and then (who presents the weather) started talking about corn and cornwall or something.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: Horse Faced Gazette: 'Beauty and the Beast'
Jug Ears to marry Camilla
Evening Standard Tube strike off
[ 10.02.2005, 10:46: Message edited by: herbs ]
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Manchester Evening News
Glazer a Knob
*Dang might get this.
[ 10.02.2005, 10:46: Message edited by: Louche ]
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: Following on from Chas loves Horse Face and Charles and Camel to wed, I notice that other forums I visit while waiting for Thorn to post have thread titles like, Prince Charles to marry a trog and Prince Charles to marry Rod Hull. Have any other people got examples of how this joyful and heartwarming news has been announced elsewhere?
What's your point here dang? You've already annoyed me once today with your bilious views on older women who you consider to be unattractive. Astro said it to someone on handbag and I questioned it here: what the fuck have her looks got to do with it? Men in public life don't attract anything like the same level of criticism about their age or appearance. If you're making a point then make it, but if you're just bored then go and have a wank or something.
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Not that it's very funny, really.
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
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[ 10.02.2005, 10:47: Message edited by: Louche ]
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
that might his point.
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Oh, and Dang's nasty so I shouldn't be making him laugh. I'm making a hash of everything today, aren't I?
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Though, Uber, Dang didn't actually concur with any of the views, he was just reporting them.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I've had to remove this post from Benway as it crossed a line - even for TMO. Be careful, Benway. - Darryn
[ 10.02.2005, 11:06: Message edited by: Darryn.R ]
Posted by damo (Member # 722) on :
but glazer IS a KNOB. and if he gets in as mcr utd head honcho, some how or other the good citizens of ALL of greater mcr will end up paying. for anything done to the stadium etc. somehow it'll affet more than the man utd fans. he has the potential to affect everyone in manchester.
so don't just write it off as "pah football". in tampa, where his team is, the local government is financing the building of a new stadium for him. that the populace are paying for. and none of the profits get given back to them. its much the same here with the titans. we built a stadium for them, they pay us a pittance to say thanks, the rest of the money is the owners. we don't even get any money from the food stalls....which as you can imagine do a great trade.
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
C'mon, Damo, this is Manchester. No-one goes against Bernstein and wins, certainly not some jumped up team buying tycoon. And fans with placards bearing the comedy legend Manchester United is Not For Sale is just taking lack of self-knowledge or any sense of irony to it's furthest and most painful extreme. Wankers.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
quote:Originally posted by Louche: Though, Uber, Dang didn't actually concur with any of the views, he was just reporting them.
Yeah but he has posted other dubious views on women in the past, the bardot thing is the immediate example that springs to mind. I mentioned this in my first post on this thread as I was surprised at Waynster, and I also noticed that Darryn made a comment the other day about Condoleeza Rice in the other thread on how attractive she was(n't) and nothing to do with her views on policy or whatever.
I'm just saying there's been some dubious views about women and their level of attractiveness in relation to their worth / age etc being spurted on the forum. And it has annoyed me. Today. Perhaps it is just my hangover. Feel free to call me feminazi etc etc - cos really I'm just annoyed cos I need some good hard cock :rollseyes:
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
George Bush looks like a chimp: Does that help?
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
I Agree with Uber.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: Darryn made a comment the other day about Condoleeza Rice in the other thread on how attractive she was(n't)
I noticed that! I was suprised that our lovely Darryn could be so gauche.
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Whilst I said Dang didn't neccessarily concur with the views he reported, I didn't say that he didn't wholeheartedly endorse them.
Does that wriggle me in tortured prose out of the way of the Uber-knife? Also, I was dead impressed with Astro's Handbag Hag Slapdown. Astro is ace.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Uber's got a point - after all when John McCirrick was on Big Brother, it wasn't like you had all the forettes commenting on how gross he is and how the idea of having sex with him was revolting.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
I didn't though did I?
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
I don't think commenting on how unattractive you on a personal level find someone has anything to do with what that person is worth on any other level.
Didn't mean to offend (sorry) by saying how hugely unattractive I find Condoleezza Rice I bet she thinks Im a dog too.
That said it was a touch crass - In my defense I'd been wasting time at B3ta most of the day photoshopping Americans and all you can really do with Condoleezza is turn her into a werewolf and it doesn't take much shopping either..
I expect if she was a 'right good looker' that someone would only comment that she probably got the job based on looks which would be just as bad as me saying she an ugly.
Sorry to offend
[ 10.02.2005, 11:16: Message edited by: Darryn.R ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: I didn't though did I?
No - but Astro did, and now she's trying to be all like "Yeah! Yeah!" alongside you. There's a traitor in your midst, Uber, and she's weakening your position. You should do the right thing and cut her loose.
Oh and FWIW, I remember London making a number of unflattering remarks about me way back in the beginning, so she can quit her harping about 'God, why do men have to go on about how attractive women aren't', too.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
It just stuck out because - though I can't remember the precise wording of your post: perhaps Thorn can? - the thread was about politics, and your post was about politics, and then suddenly out of nowhere came 'Yeah that C. Rice is a bit of a dog though eh!!!!' and then back to the politics. And she was surrounded by lots of other politicians who were dogs too, but her doggishness was the only doggishness considered worthy of comment.
Posted by damo (Member # 722) on :
quote:Originally posted by Louche: C'mon, Damo, this is Manchester. No-one goes against Bernstein and wins, certainly not some jumped up team buying tycoon. And fans with placards bearing the comedy legend Manchester United is Not For Sale is just taking lack of self-knowledge or any sense of irony to it's furthest and most painful extreme. Wankers.
yeah but the spunk dealers (magnier and whassihisface) will sell at some point.
the placards do make me want to point out the PLC bit at the end of the name Manchester United.
(i have a secret soft spot for man utd. there i said it. i secretlythinkfergie is gr11).
and the current board though ultimately driven by money, have always made funds available for fergie tinkering away. this, plus the fact chelsea are rocking the boat, the team is getting older and no new stars seem to be coming through to replace the homegrown boys, is making them worry. don't call them wankers just because you don't like football.
but still. you're right, they are stupid if they don't believe the club is for sale. what they need to do is buy the shares with a supporters group.
oh i don't know.
i guess i'm just scared of the idea of someone coming in a ripping up man utd. its not like where chelski loved the idea of someone coming in and buying players left right and centre and pretending that its all for the love of the club. becuase this has been rambling on for so long, it seems as if this is a "well you keep refusing me, but i've got deep pockets and i will get you."
oh fuck it.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: I didn't though did I?
No - but Astro did, and now she's trying to be all like "Yeah! Yeah!" alongside you.
shit.
But! That's different, anyway. I'm not saying that commenting negatively on people's appearance is wrong per se, it's just that women who are over a certain age and not in tip-top, flawless physical condition seem to attract criticism a lot more readily than their male counterparts.
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
Well, she is ugly. As is Prince Charles, but we've known about that for years.
There is plenty of incredulity surrounding the sexing of blantant XY munters, such as David Mellor and David Blunkett. There was plenty of sneering directed at Chris Evans as well, for his looks as well as his attitude and ego.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: It just stuck out because - though I can't remember the precise wording of your post: perhaps Thorn can? - the thread was about politics, and your post was about politics, and then suddenly out of nowhere came 'Yeah that C. Rice is a bit of a dog though eh!!!!' and then back to the politics. And she was surrounded by lots of other politicians who were dogs too, but her doggishness was the only doggishness considered worthy of comment.
I made my poorly thought out comment not in the middle of a political discussion but rather after 6 posts discussion regarding to Rick and his opinion(s)
[ 10.02.2005, 11:23: Message edited by: Darryn.R ]
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
What is genuinely disturbing is the way women seem to scrutinise their sisters down to the last toenail. Open Heat or Now, and it's all FINGERS LIKE TOES, SWEATY PITS, and BUILDERS ELBOW. I didn't even know what a builders elbow was until I read a feature in Heat about celeb noses. You don't get men reading mags that highlight the minute physical 'failings' (differences) of their sex.
Are there any mags for women which aren't about celebs or physical appearance? Mainstream ones, I mean, not Bust.
I don't know my point, but I don't think that saying that somebody is unattractive, horse faced, whatever is a sexist crime. It's universally applicable.
[ 10.02.2005, 11:24: Message edited by: Dr. Benway ]
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
Look, we'll do you a deal: we love Darryn and although it was odd and caused the ladies to raise an elegantly plucked eyebrow or two we'll let that one go, same for Waynster. It's just that repeat offender dang who needs to say something now... I notice he's gone quiet all of a sudden.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
All's fair in love and schoolboy humour.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
I agree with you too Benway - I do think that women are often worse than men at pointing out perceived physical flaws of other women. You only have to read handbag's celebrity gossip forum to see that.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: There is plenty of incredulity surrounding the sexing of blantant XY munters, such as David Mellor and David Blunkett. There was plenty of sneering directed at Chris Evans as well, for his looks as well as his attitude and ego.
That's true actually - pretty much any male politician who has an affair exposed in the UK is subject to a round of abuse ridiculing their physical appearance. And when John Major nobbed Edwina Curry people's heads pretty much caved in in a dual pronged disgustathon.
I'm curious as to which ugly male celebs are let off the hook, lookswise. People like Rod Stewart, Mick Jagger etc, who may once have been sex object are frequently mocked for how they should act their age. I've lost count of the number of Rod Stewart lampoons I've seen that contrast Do you think I'm sexy with the fundamental unsexiness of a 50 something man. Reporting on the likes of Harrison Ford and Michael Douglas nobbing fit chicks was generally derisory and disgusted in tone. And all that's nothing compared with someone like Peter Stringfellow, who's sole purpose in life seems to be being held up as an example of an utterly grotesque, unfuckable man who inexplicably gets to have sex.
So i don't really buy Astro's assertion that the same thing doesn't apply to men. I think you could build an argument questioning why a society does focus in so much on whether someone's attractive, physically, or not, but you're on tricky ground if you try and break it down into a men vs women thing.
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Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
Dang can be nasty when cornered.
Thought it best to warn you.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
Nice one Astro. Us men, we are caught in the crossfire of the "YOU ARE UGLY" adverts that are dropped onto the media platforms too. That shit is like agent motherfucking orange of the soul, whithering self esteem off the bone and causing personality defects through generations. I mean, you can shield your eyes, but it's like dresden here. Especially in London, where every available space has an advert on it.
So, come on ladies - be excellent to each other, not nasty.
[ 10.02.2005, 11:37: Message edited by: Dr. Benway ]
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Benway, if you want a beer in the Victoria pub in Victoria after work, like text me and shiz.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: I've had to remove this post from Benway as it crossed a line - even for TMO. Be careful, Benway. - Darryn
Balls! I was picking the Masketeers up from school.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: So i don't really buy Astro's assertion that the same thing doesn't apply to men. I think you could build an argument questioning why a society does focus in so much on whether someone's attractive, physically, or not, but you're on tricky ground if you try and break it down into a men vs women thing.
The only way to really solve this is to do an Excel spreadsheet comprising every single famous man and woman there has ever been, with an agreed score of attractiveness (using some kind of poll system) for each, and then breaking down the results into age and gender.
It's all very well triumphantly naming a few aging rockers and actors that have had disparaging remarks made about them, but that doesn't convince me that there is a general trend of critising the appearance of older men, as much as there is with older women.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
quote:Originally posted by jonesy999: Dang can be nasty when cornered.
Thought it best to warn you.
quote:Originally posted by dang65: All's fair in love and schoolboy humour.
I know! *ouch*
[ 10.02.2005, 11:42: Message edited by: Uber Trick ]
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
Work has seen me avoid the boards for a bit, but coming back to this I find I have upset some people, something I think those who know me know I would not do purposely and for that I apologise. But I certainly don't think that all women above a certain age are unattractive - far from it.
Would it make things better if I commented on Charles looking like the FA Cup, thus negating the sexism issue?
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: Benway, if you want a beer in the Victoria pub in Victoria after work, like text me and shiz.
I don't have my phone! But I would like this.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Hey, what did Benway do? Did he post a horrible picture from a horror film?
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway:
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: Benway, if you want a beer in the Victoria pub in Victoria after work, like text me and shiz.
I don't have my phone! But I would like this.
Yes please, I got fired and want a cold one. Actually, meet me at the 73 bus stop outside victoria station. I'll be there 5.30-5.45 ish.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Sorry everyone but you heard the man, he dosn't have his phone.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
Nwode! I am sorry to hear that.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
fine, can do. Anybody else?
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Astromariner: It's all very well triumphantly naming a few aging rockers and actors that have had disparaging remarks made about them, but that doesn't convince me that there is a general trend of critising the appearance of older men, as much as there is with older women.
OK - you can cover your ears and go 'la, la, la' every time someone brings up some evidence that might in some way challenge part of what you thought, but it's hardly a strategy likely to convince anyone that what you're saying is accurate.
I didn't mean to say "Ha - because these people have been slagged off I must by right", I was plucking a few examples out of the ether to illustrate that people generally seem equally as uncomfortable with the ageing male as they do the ageing female. There's so many odious stereotypes for the 40+ man - balding fat, defeated/ creepy older man/ slimy sugar daddy - I don't think they can be ignored in their entirety, or dismissed as a few notable exceptions.
I don't think it's any excuse - by the way - that we should cheerfully lay into people's attractiveness as long as it's all equal, but I don't agree that it doesn't happen to men, too. I mean - you've done it yourself ffs, and thought nothing of it.
Posted by Tom Boy (Member # 765) on :
if you guys would be so good as to inform me of location it would be cool to hook up, if you want?
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: I didn't mean to say "Ha - because these people have been slagged off I must by right", I was plucking a few examples out of the ether to illustrate that people generally seem equally as uncomfortable with the ageing male as they do the ageing female. There's so many odious stereotypes for the 40+ man - balding fat, defeated/ creepy older man/ slimy sugar daddy - I don't think they can be ignored in their entirety, or dismissed as a few notable exceptions.
I'm not sure I agree with this. Of course, there is a general horror of aging in our society - I just think that this horror is expressed more towards aging women than aging men. However, what I'd like to do is make a study of various mainstream media texts (trans= read the Metro on the way into work) and collect examples which either back up or refute your assertions, then have a little think. Can we reconvene in a month to discuss this topic again? Or do we need to sort it out now.
[ 10.02.2005, 12:00: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tom Boy: if you guys would be so good as to inform me of location it would be cool to hook up, if you want?
as above The Victoria pub in Victoria
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: I don't agree that it doesn't happen to men, too. I mean - you've done it yourself ffs, and thought nothing of it.
But I didn't say it doesn't happen to men too, and I didn't say that men are the only people who ever do this. I'm totally willing to accept that men get regularly criticised about their appearance, but I do believe that women, especially older women, seem to be more frequently judged solely on the basis of their appearance.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
So, shall we reconvene in a month as London suggests?
Mikee: why did you get fired?
edit: ahahaha! Sorry astro, you were still talking. My bad.
[ 10.02.2005, 12:02: Message edited by: Uber Trick ]
Posted by Tom Boy (Member # 765) on :
edit: for engagement of brain before employment of pointy fingers
[ 10.02.2005, 12:03: Message edited by: Tom Boy ]
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
It's on the thread, Tom Boy.
I would suggest that perhaps times are a changin' anyway. There is that image of the Jack Nicholson/Sean Connery character, the silver fox, etc, and perhaps a female equivalent hasn't been so obvious, as in a positive sexual role model for coffin dodgers who like to shag. The attractive ones all seem to be a bit batshit, or at least, that's how they are portrayed. But, this Kim Catrell. She's no spring chicken, she looks okay, and she hasn't gone the Cher route of allowing aliens to replace her skin with a synthetic alternative. Maybe we need more of this.
Sadly, it's probably more like Old=death, and who wants to shag death?
I wonder why? London would probably say "O it's because they can't shoot out any babies from their c**ts anymore, and all men want to do is fill the world with more of their kind", and Dang might say "Because their tits go all saggy and gross. And they smell.", but, is there another, less provocative explanation? A middle ground, as it were?
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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Skank.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
Thanks for your contribution there, Miscellanous Files. Would you perhaps care to expand further on that point? Everyone knows that a skank doesn't usually come with out a ho soon after it.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Shhhhh. I think Misc has Tourettes. Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
from grouphug.us
quote: I love practicing with girls at the dojo so that I can look down their shirts. Most often, her gi will flap open, revealing whatever shirt or bra she has on underneath. With that much close contact, I get to see a lot of cleavage. It's very nice. There was a new girl last night with a big, soft rack that I just wanted to bury my face in. Too bad we don't have a technique for that.
I even do this to Rachel! She's a good bit older than me, but she's just so pretty. I hope she doesn't catch me, though. She's a black belt and could kick my butt.
I know it's not entirely relevent, but it made me do a Posted by Tom Boy (Member # 765) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay:
quote:Originally posted by Tom Boy: if you guys would be so good as to inform me of location it would be cool to hook up, if you want?
as above The Victoria pub in Victoria
Ah, cryptic directions as usual i need to pay a little more attention really
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Miscellanous Files: Skank.
quote:Originally posted by Ubr Trick: Everyone knows that a skank doesn't usually come with out a ho soon after it.
I didn't know you were going to post soon after it.
And I don't think you're a "ho" Ubr!
London was right.
"fucking cunt" Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: Mikee: why did you get fired?
It's actually not as bad as I am making out, I have been laid off in the most polite way imaginable. I was told a permanent member is taking a position in the team, but the truth is, I think it's just a management decision. I still have two weeks to leave the building. The thing is, there was a hoo-ha about a letter that I had lost. Someone checked the system and found the file had showed up eventually, but that was after it had promted a serious review of my work. I actually didn't get an apology once it had been discovered that the system was placing dozens of files into a folder that shouldn't exist. So a system error basically. I think the icing on the cake was when I allocated a case to the wrong department, which cost us two days out of the full twenty working days we had to reply. I mean, I think it's clutching at straws a bit to make up for the fact that my contract is finishing early. Put a little self doubt in my head first you know? It's quite funny really. I've had not too bad a day. My favourite bit was when someone sent in a photograph of a smelly heater that was caked in food. Also, the job I have been given to see my fortnight out is to look through hundreds of accounts and work out which ones have been logged correctly. I've found about 2 out of 50 cases today, so if there isn't enough irony to make me laugh at this predicament, then nothing will ever make me laugh again.
Posted by fish (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by jonesy999: I heard the Ikea story on the radio this morning. Until now I thought it was a dream. Obviously I don't want to laugh at people being potentially crushed to death, not least because of the current Thorn Davis Acts Concerned climate but I do think the Ikea Riot is some fucking funny shit.
Sky was working in Selfridges on the bank holiday Monday after Christmas (the first day of the January sale) and there was a stampede in the Gucci concession and a woman fell over and got trampled and had to be taken to hospital in an ambulance. They had to close Gucci for an hour until people calmed down. Chavs eh?
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
Someone was stabbed during the Ikea Riots. What I'd like to know is did the stabber take a knife with them, you know, just in case things got messy in Blinds and Curtains, or did they manage to make it to through Kitchens and the tills in under an hour?
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Posted by fish (Member # 22) on :
Perhaps the knife was just part of their camping gear - you know, for if they got lost somewhere around the cushion and soft furnishings section and had to bed down for the night?
Posted by OJ (Member # 752) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay:
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: Mikee: why did you get fired?
I actually didn't get an apology once it had been discovered that the system was placing dozens of files into a folder that shouldn't exist. So a system error basically.
I think the icing on the cake was when I allocated a case to the wrong department, which cost us two days out of the full twenty working days we had to reply. I mean, I think it's clutching at straws a bit to make up for the fact that my contract is finishing early. Put a little self doubt in my head first you know? It's quite funny really. I've had not too bad a day. My favourite bit was when someone sent in a photograph of a smelly heater that was caked in food. Also, the job I have been given to see my fortnight out is to look through hundreds of accounts and work out which ones have been logged correctly. I've found about 2 out of 50 cases today, so if there isn't enough irony to make me laugh at this predicament, then nothing will ever make me laugh again.
Dear God, NWOD. Do you work here by any chance?
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
London Transport hacksherley Posted by saltrock (Member # 622) on :
Poor Mikee.
Will I need to start sending soup parcels?
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
labia, folded like a sushi parcel.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
saltrock are you going to tell them about the engagement?
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
doh! stupid picture!
[ 10.02.2005, 19:28: Message edited by: Uber Trick ]
Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
Hey Mikee, if it makes you feel any better I've just aquired copies of Dies Irae by Coptic Rain as recommended by your good self, and Apocalyptica by the ear-drum meltingly fantastic Apocalyptica from last Saturday, and copies of both will be winging their merry way to you once I get back from Naarwich on Monday. Just so you know like.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
I have Dies Irae. I will send you The Last World by arm-mail.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
Physic! Please help me! What I was trying to do above was post the picture from Glasgow - number 51 - of me and Astro doing the :madfacesmilie: but for some reason I couldn't make it post. Can you sort me out? Pleeeease?
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
that picture has someone else in
[ 10.02.2005, 19:37: Message edited by: New Way Of Decay ]
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
Why won't it post the picture I want? Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Fuck lady, you should have spelled it out, I just checked my mail.
[ 11.02.2005, 11:58: Message edited by: New Way Of Decay ]
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
Yes! Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Don't stare at it...it sends you mad just trying to understand it.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
No, it's perfect!
That is who you were arguing against earlier, forum men, on this very thread. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
Cuh I spend 5 minutes uploading a copy of it and copying the link and NWOD fucking beats me to it, damn my semi-drunken fumbly typing..
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Physic: Cuh I spend 5 minutes uploading a copy of it and copying the link and NWOD fucking beats me to it, damn my semi-drunken fumbly typing..
Dude, I'm wrecked. I went out drunking.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
Thank you boys. Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay:
quote:Originally posted by Physic: Cuh I spend 5 minutes uploading a copy of it and copying the link and NWOD fucking beats me to it, damn my semi-drunken fumbly typing..
Dude, I'm wrecked. I went out drunking.
I'd better leave this thread. It took me longer than necessary to type this. I spelt necething right. YAY!
Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
Me too dude, early birthday celebrations, pizza and drunkenness, and then tomorrow travelling to Naaarwich and more drunken foolishness. What more can a baldy soon-to-be-28-year-old ask for? Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
lol, I forgot to mention, my mates band are going to be in 'Tatler'
I'm going....sorry everybob.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
argh! Make it go away!
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
'On topic'
Oddly enough, this response to the news of C&C's engagement - from committed even rabid republican Steve Bell - seems to get it right. At first glance it seems acidic and bitchy, but the more you look at it, the more poignant and humane it becomes.
I don't know. I reckon a lot of people must have cloth eyes or something: while not "pretty" attractive, CP-B has glamour in spades and it isn't hard to see how their affair has endured for 30 plus years (more than many/most married couples).
As a side note - and having failed in my eBay bid for that nude of Kate Moss - I wonder whether anyone here is familiar with that picture Freud did of Camilla's erstwhile husband, Andrew Parker-Bowles. In it, the now-portly, rubicund officer sits slumped, the buttons of his tunic undone, a quite incredible image of the cuckolded spouse - restoring some of his very clearly robbed dignity. This link includes a detail and a comment on the picture, but I've been unable to find any decent reproductions on the net (NPG website shows only a work-in-progress).
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
My favourite headline this morning was The Express with WHAT WOULD DIANA SAY???1!! Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: WHAT WOULD DIANA SAY???1!!
"I couldn't care less. I've been fucking Dodi in heaven since '97!" Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
Heh - yes. I reckon they must have the malfunctioning OutRage01 (millennium edition) headline software formerly used by the Mail (which recently upgraded to s'Norton AntiEverything).
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I couldn't work out Natasja Kaplinski's opinions on the subject this morning, but the people of windsor seemed to be pretty divided, based on the vox pop that was broadcast at 8.15.
off topic, has anybody seen Big Cook Little Cook in the mornings, and noticed the similarity between big cook ben, and our very own 'Big Cook Ben'?
This picture doesn't help to highlight this:
Those two were punditing on 'TVs most outrageous moments' on C5 the other night, being all cynical and biting, and it tarnished their image a little bit.
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Posted by saltrock (Member # 622) on :
I fucking HATE that program with a passion. Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
here you go:
Again, this disproves my theory
I'll leave it. Sorry, internet.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by saltrock: I fucking HATE that program with a passion.
Credit where credit's due. The little fella has made his mark in a big boy's world.
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