The punk movement celebrates its 30th anniversay this month. It was way back in July 1976 that the UK punk scene really started when the Sex Pistols and the Dammed played together on the same bill and the UK music press started an interest in the fledgling punk scene. July 76 was also when American noise merchants the Ramones toured Britain giving the fledgling UK punk movement a much needed boost. Sniffin' magazine the first UK punk fanzine also started at this time.
The word punk had first been coined in America as far back as 1975 to describe a group of bands playing at the underground venue called CBGBs in New York. And was the title given to magazine of the same name covering the scene. To celebrate the anniversary here are some archive videos for you to watch:
The punk rock movie released in 1977 filmed mostly at the ill fated Roxy Club in Londons Covent Garden which closed in April 1977 after just four months.
Some videos of the Ramones Americas first punk rock band. The first issue of punk fanzine Sniffin' Glue which appeared 30 years ago this month.
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Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
*faints*
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
Napalm Death is a grindcore/death metal band formed in the village of Meriden near Birmingham, England in 1982 by Nicholas Bullen and Miles Ratledge. The group are generally acknowledged to have been the first group to invent the grindcore genre. However, the band progressed from these beginnings after their first two albums and became a death metal band, by which time the band no longer had any original members. Indeed, the history of the band is one of constant member rotation - and by the second side of their debut album Scum, they did not contain any original members.
Members of Napalm Death have moved on to form bands such as Carcass, Godflesh, Cathedral, and Scorn. Additionally band members have formed numerous side projects, including Painkiller, Brujeria, Lock Up, Meathook Seed, Teeth of Lions Rule the Divine and Jesu.
Although Napalm Death was the first band who actually coined the word "Grindcore" to classify and define the type of music that they played, others had previously played very similar music. Groups such as Siege, Larm, Heresy and Cryptic Slaughter were also playing a similar fast and brutal style of music. However, Napalm Death cemented the fusion of punk aggression, high velocity tempo, metallic production and deep gutteral vocals that later became synonymous with the "Grindcore" genre.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Holy fuck! Welcome back Harlequin. I passed you a couple of weeks ago when Octavia and I were walking across London. It was on the outskirts of Hyde Park, I think. I didn't say anything, but there seemed to be a frisson of recognition. Glad to see you're alive and well.
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Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zygote: Carcass, Godflesh, Cathedral,
Man I love those bands. Especially Carcass. Swansong was re-released a fwe months ago, meaning I was able to hear it for the first time in about 8 years and it's still FUCKING AWESOME.
Posted by Harlequin (Member # 454) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zygote: Napalm Death is a grindcore/death metal band formed in the village of Meriden near Birmingham, England in 1982 by Nicholas Bullen and Miles Ratledge.
Yes I know. I saw Napalm death at the Mermaid pub in Birmingham together with some other bands way back in January 1987. There lined up changed completely though within a couple of years.
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
Good to see you, Harlequin. What made you decide to come back here after all this time?
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Man I love those bands. Especially Carcass. Swansong was re-released a fwe months ago, meaning I was able to hear it for the first time in about 8 years and it's still FUCKING AWESOME.
If you're into those bands, then you have to check out Pig Destroyer. I've recently purchased '38 Counts of Battery', 'Prowler in the Yard' and 'Terrifyer'. Alternative Press dubbed them, "One of the most important 25 bands in metal." They initially set out with the name 'Cop Destroyer' but, instead, settled for the slightly less offensive slang term 'Pig'.
Oh: the lead guitarist, Scott Hull used to be in Anal **** , as an added bonus.
quote:Originally posted by Harlequin: Yes I know. I saw Napalm death at the Mermaid pub in Birmingham together with some other bands way back in January 1987. There lined up changed completely though within a couple of years.
Jesus. Was that back in Lee Dorrian days? My favorite Napalm Death track from that period would have to be, 'You Suffer...'
A track of epic proportions.
Didn't Pig Destroyer support Napalm Death recently? Think they may be touring again shortly. I'll have to go and have a look.
Edited to add: In the original inlay card for 'Scum', the band have kindly included their home addresses and telephone numbers. You wouldn't get many bands doing that these days.
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Posted by Harlequin (Member # 454) on :
quote:Originally posted by mart: Good to see you, Harlequin. What made you decide to come back here after all this time?
I just thought I would share those archive videos with people on here, I came across them recently, well a few months ago. There has been a sudden upsurge in interest in punk with the 30th annivsary approaching, so I started to get back into it a bit. I starte posting on this forum a few motnhs ago: http://www.punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/ Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
presumably it's not actually Brian Harvey from east17 on drums.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
I've heard of Pig Destroyer, but always assumed them to be 'shit' because of the name. I never associated it with 'cop'. I just thought they - you know - really hated pigs.
Speaking of extreme metal the new Strapping Young Lad album came out on Monday. It's a bit of a departure from their usual style. I think they accepted that they hit their artistic peak with 'Alien' (greatest piece of music of the last 300 years or so, BTW) last year and just decided to have some fun with their final record. So it's quite a funny album: the song You Suck sounds like an argument on the imdb: "Hell yeah you fucking fuck/ Fuck you you fucking suck!". Far Beyond Metal has a guest spot by Oderus Ungerus from Gwar, and there's a song called Fucker that just seems to rail against, well, everything. But it's all in high spirits> It's alot more accessible than their previous albums - almost poppy, in fact. You wouldn't normally expect to be able to hum a Strapping Young Lad album after first listen (or ever, unless someone replaced your larynx with a steel foundry), but this one actually has some really catchy tunes. So! Not as good as City or Alien, but Devin is still the master and literally way better than anything else out there, in any genre.
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Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: presumably it's not actually Brian Harvey from east17 on drums.
If it is, then the fucker's been downing more than the occasional pill.
Posted by Harlequin (Member # 454) on :
I don't like thrash metal though, so don't think I would like Pig Destroyer. Napalm Death were much more punk during their original line up. They went in a more heavy metal direction after lineup changes. In their early days they were similar to most other hardcore punk bands but with growling inaudable vocals.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
do you like Oi! music?
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
For fucks sake not this argument again. Punk is as old as I am - the term was coined by Legs McNeill (Read Please Kill Me like I told you) and was relevant to the likes of Iggy Pop, the Velvet Underground etc. Malcolm McLaren nicked it after lampooning the New York Dolls to look like communists and was promptly laughed all the way back to the UK where he now advertises Mayonaise.
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
....and throws dinner parties on BBC2 - how fucking punk is that!
Thorn - I saw SYL a few weeks ago - I was very drunk but it was good
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Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I liked 'Hey DJ' by Malcolm Maclaren.
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
Didn't he do a song about skipping as well?
Posted by Harlequin (Member # 454) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: do you like Oi! music?
Not much but some of it is good. Most of the early oi bands were punk bands to start off with then gained a skinhead following because of song of their songs such as Slaughter and the Dogs "where have all the boot boys gone" and Sham 69s "skinheads are back". And the Angelic Upstarts quoting of "Clockwork Orange" in their song Teenage Warning.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
quote:Originally posted by Waynster: Didn't he do a song about skipping as well?
err, yeah. Double dutch I think.
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: err, yeah. Double dutch I think.
Oh yes, the ghetto kids skipping innocently to a timely beat. Then Rap came along and popped a cap in its ass I guess - can't imagine people like Snoop Dog or Ice Motherfucking T singing innocently of sugar and spice, whilst jumping daintily between a couple of swirling ropes, while their posse clapped along, all smiling....
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
no, you're right, they wouldn't, but there's more to hip hop than west coast gangsta...
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: I've heard of Pig Destroyer, but always assumed them to be 'shit' because of the name. I never associated it with 'cop'. I just thought they - you know - really hated pigs.
I did initially as well. Glad I delved further though. '38 Counts of Battery' is, as the title indicates, 38 tracks - mostly comprising of lightning drumming, heavy guitar riffs and brutal vocals. It also contains 'Genital Grinder/Regurgitation of Giblets' and 'Exhume to Consume' by Carcass.
'Prowler in the Yard' is a heavier, more concentrated affair, which chugs along nicely. When I heard track 4: 'Trojan Whore', I couldn't help but grin like a buffoon, such was the impact it had on me. Everything I love about metal incorporated in one track; sexy, dirty, lung-jarring guitar riff, tight, immaculately timed rhythmic drumming and unexpected variation (that works - not simply flying off on a tangent forgetting which direction the track had originally embarked) before you are thrust rapidly into track 5.
'Terrifyer' encompasses the sound achieved in the two previous releases and takes it a stage further, leading to their strongest release to date. Can't wait to see them live.
quote:Speaking of extreme metal the new Strapping Young Lad album came out on Monday. It's a bit of a departure from their usual style. I think they accepted that they hit their artistic peak with 'Alien' (greatest piece of music of the last 300 years or so, BTW)
Sounds like I need to check this out. I've heard of Young Strapping Lad, but I kind of shunned them, thinking that they were yet another twisted Norwegian black metal band with a penchant for paedophilia. Clearly I was wrong.
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Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:On 31 May 2005, he was readmitted to hospital in a critical condition after doing the un-doable - according to his PR "he fell under the wheels of his Mercedes Benz motor car, whilst driving" - of this incident Harvey explained, '"I was starving so I baked three jacket potatoes and stuffed them down. They were big. I put cheese on, then tuna mayonnaise and I ate the lot.' Then driving to a friend's house he felt sick, so opened his car door to be vomit. It was at this moment he fell out the car and under its wheels. After his recovery Harvey claimed, 'I haven't had a jacket potato since. I could never eat them again'
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Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay:
quote:'I haven't had a jacket potato since. I could never eat them again'
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That is so unfair on jacket potatoes Why do jacket potatoes get the blame for everything? Jacket potatoes and Jews. Jumping Jehosaphat.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay:
quote:Then driving to a friend's house he felt sick, so opened his car door to be vomit. It was at this moment he fell out the car and under its wheels. After his recovery Harvey claimed, 'I haven't had a jacket potato since. I could never eat them again'
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I've heard that this incident will form the basis of a government sponsored safety advertisement. Harvey will appear in the advert, describing his first hand knowledge of the hitherto unpublicized dangers of eating jacket spuds and driving.
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Three jackket potatoes is a lot of jacket potato, innit? I bet I'd struggle to eat three jacket potatoes comfortably and I'm a great jacket potato fan.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Louche: Three jackket potatoes is a lot of jacket potato, innit? I bet I'd struggle to eat three jacket potatoes comfortably and I'm a great jacket potato fan.
That would depend on the size of the jackets. You shouldn't be able to eat more than one proper jacket (the size of a baby's head, takes a good two hours in the oven, thicker skin than Chuck Norris). But some people seem to believe that its poor cousin, the microwave jacket (so small it's barely worth boiling, six minutes and 'ding', skin like a nursing home inmate) is in some way comparable. They are wrong.
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Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zygote: Sounds like I need to check this out. I've heard of Young Strapping Lad, but I kind of shunned them, thinking that they were yet another twisted Norwegian black metal band with a penchant for paedophilia. Clearly I was wrong.
Naw, they're Canadian, for starters. And they're not black metal, they're more industrial. Circa 'City' they were described as 'Fear Factory meets Judas Priest', which is oddly accurate. City's a brilliant album, too. City and Alien are the ones to go for, and - eventually - everything Devin Townsend has ever put his name to.
Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Naw, they're Canadian, for starters. And they're not black metal, they're more industrial. Circa 'City' they were described as 'Fear Factory meets Judas Priest', which is oddly accurate. City's a brilliant album, too. City and Alien are the ones to go for, and - eventually - everything Devin Townsend has ever put his name to.
Just looked for both SYL and Devin on Napster and it has neither, fucking shite app....
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
Yep Devin's other projects do differ - he's a real diverse musician, exploring many paths in Rock and metal. Check out Infinity - smashing album (apart from if you want to play one track in the pub as it abrupbtly ends (the songs blurr over the CD markers, or at least they do on my CD)
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
quote:Originally posted by Physic: Just looked for both SYL and Devin on Napster and it has neither, fucking shite app....
Go here. Currently listening to 'You Suck' at my desk. My neck is starting to twitch. Heavy stuff.
Edit: 'Detox' is fucking amazing.
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Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zygote: Go here. Currently listening to 'You Suck' at my desk. My neck is starting to twitch. Heavy stuff.
Cheers Z, having a listen now, not bad, as far as heavy goes though the Children Of Bodom album I was just listening to is heavier. This doesn't seem anything like as extreme as Skeksis which is one of the few SYL tracks I've heard before.
Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zygote: Edit: 'Detox' is fucking amazing.
Agreed, just listening now and liking it a lot.
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
If anyone wants to check out Pig Destroyer's 'Trojan Whore' that I mentioned earlier, here it is in all its glory.
I really need to grab a pint now. Stupid fucking work.
Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
Christ, just listening to the other SYL tracks and 'Love' is one of the best tracks I've heard in years.
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
quote:Originally posted by Physic: Christ, just listening to the other SYL tracks and 'Love' is one of the best tracks I've heard in years.
I agree. It reminds me vaguely of Pantera's 'Mouth for War', but vocally far superior. I'm definitely going to be making a few SYL cd purchases tomorrow.
The comparison to Fear Factory is spot on too.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
What, in the name of holy fuck, is going on?
Hello Harlequin.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
Also, who is the second one Misc?
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Posted by Harlequin (Member # 454) on :
By the way here is an interesting fact last years sell out concert at the Milton Keynes Bowl by punk revivalists Green Day attracted more people than the Glastonbury festival, 120,000 people over two days. And yet back in the 1980s people were saying punk is dead. Though I wouldn't say they were the best punk band by far, they just got all the right breaks, but it does proves that punk music does still have market.
Posted by Bandy (Member # 12) on :
fact. lol.
Posted by 69 Comeback Elvis (Member # 9) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: no, you're right, they wouldn't, but there's more to hip hop than west coast gangsta...
Yes.
I thought the point of punk was that it was an ethos – a DIY style of music killed when production stepped in and shtuck a shneer on Sir William of Idol (the missing link between Donny Osmond and Robbie Williams).
Does that make the lo-fi bands of the late 90s punk? And, ultimately, doesn't that make the 'launch it myself from my website' bands of today far more punk than the polished production of Green Day?
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by 69 Comeback Elvis: And, ultimately, doesn't that make the 'launch it myself from my website' bands of today far more punk than the polished production of Green Day?
Maybe it makes them both equally un-punk?
Posted by 69 Comeback Elvis (Member # 9) on :
How can Sandi Thom be un-punk? She's got punk coming out her ass. She eats punk. She drinks at the trough of punk and throws handful after handful of punk down her neck.
It's just that old punks can't admit it.
You started the punk, you fuckers, and now look what's happened. You've given us Lily Van Dyke walking rahnd Lundin tahn Mawy Popp-inns.
Posted by Amy (Member # 11) on :
I saw Napalm Death, Sick of it All, Sepultura and some other band that escapes me right now, back when I was 16. Was my first show (not concert mind...that would have been the cure), at this place called The Troc. God, that was a long time ago. Also saw one of the Ramones when I was 15. He was sitting downstairs at this club I used to go to. I met Henry Rollins when I was 16, he was doing spoken word at this shitty lil club in Trenton called Shitty Gardens...I mean City Gardens. His neck was huge...
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
quote:Originally posted by Amy: I saw Napalm Death, Sick of it All, Sepultura and some other band that escapes me right now, back when I was 16.
Fuck me, that must've been some show. Just bought Sepultura's 'Arise' again recently. Somehow my cassette version vanished when I moved to my new house. In terms of thrash metal, I'd have to say that Arise is the best example to date. It just pips Anthrax's 'Among the Living'. But only just.
Edit: Fucking useless hungover fingers.
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Posted by Harlequin (Member # 454) on :
By the way this website I found is a virtual encyclopedia of early punk http://www.punk77.co.uk It covers the 1976 to 1978 era.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
Good old Harley.
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
I found this virtual encyclopedia at http://en.wikipedia.org which has lots of interesting facts. Even about punk!
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
quote:Originally posted by Physic: Christ, just listening to the other SYL tracks and 'Love' is one of the best tracks I've heard in years.
Bought 'Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing' and 'City' a few weeks ago. How fucking typical of me to become addicted to a band whose future currently looks in doubt -- well, according to Wikipedia anyhow:
quote:As of late 2006, Devin has retreated from the public eye to concentrate on his family and several non-SYL projects, so the band are currently considered to be on hiatus, at least until 2008.
Aaargh! Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
Man that's a great tune, the video is pretty amusing too, I actually watched the proper video to it afterwards; Devin is one scary-ass motherfucker when he gets all wild-eyed. Still has the worst haircut in history mind..
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
quote:Originally posted by Physic: Still has the worst haircut in history mind..
He's the kind of guy that I'd really get on with.
quote:From the Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing inlay card: I had finished with the Wildhearts just prior to this, and they were so anti-everything that I decided to take a similar approach while focusing on dissonance and just being as over-the-top as I could. Songs didn't really matter; it was just the intensity and the vibe, plus lots of humour. Screaming and laughing are pretty close, I think, and I have just never been 'hard', so we do what comes naturally, right? Right. Fart jokes it is. I was really stoked on the first two songs as songs, and City eventually was spawned from those, but for the rest... I REALLY didn't give a fuck. I just wanted my brain to stop exploding...
My girlfriend fails to share the same enthusiasm as me, unfortunately -- especially when dropping her off at work at 7.30am, on full blast.
Edited to add: for constant SYL tracks, this website is the best I've ever encountered on-line. Specialities: SYL, Slayer, Metallica, Devildriver, Anthrax, Kreator...
100% 'bookmark fodder'.
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Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
Also, can't recall if you said you've listened to In Flames before or not, either way this is just one of my favourite tracks of all time, great tune from an outstanding album imo.
Oh and if you've not checked out Insomnium before then this is a great tune. Without a doubt the band I most want to see live right now..
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
Yeah, I've heard a few In Flames tracks before. That particular song is extremely Paradise Lost/Type-O-Negative-esque. Fantastic. Just listening to the Insomnium track now -- very fucking nice. I've been a bit lazy with regards to cd-buying of late and have clearly missed some unbelievable bands along the way. [Stupid old-skool metal obsessive.]
This is a particularly amusing clip, involving my favourite Kreator track of all-time - 'Phobia'.
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
Can't get enough of that 'Mortal Share' track. Fucking excellent.
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Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zygote: Can't get enough of that 'Mortal Share' track. Fucking excellent.
Yeah the whole album is seriously outstanding, 'Above The Weeping World', if you'd like to discuss where you could, ahem, obtain a copy, drop me a mail, physic77 at hotmail.
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
quote:Originally posted by Physic: Yeah the whole album is seriously outstanding, 'Above The Weeping World', if you'd like to discuss where you could, ahem, obtain a copy, drop me a mail, physic77 at hotmail.
Have done.
Posted by Harlequin (Member # 454) on :
By the way there are tons of old classic punk songs on video at http://www.youtube.com just type in bands names like The Clash, The Damned, The Sex Pistols, The Ramones, The Vibrators, The Rezillos, Sham69, The Dead Boys, The Dictators, Siouxsie and The Banshees etc. I put a long list of classic punk songs in the music forum several months ago to celebrate 30 years of punk.
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Why do jacket potatoes get the blame for everything? Jacket potatoes and Jews. Jumping Jehosaphat.