Don't believe the Hype was said in 88 by the great Chuck D / Now they're tryna fuck me
So said Ice Cube in 92 and surely in his South Central days he'd have had some weapons-grade scorn to pour on new C4 US import Lost. We've been putting up with gay, Calvin Kleinish adverts for this programme for the past month or so now and it turns out to be - what? - a total pile of wank.
Granted, the first five minutes were pretty exciting mayhem, but then? Not only were these survivors the most un-traumatised crash victims ever but none of them had to deal with anything remotely approaching a realistic desert island horror.
Trying to break into an upturned airliner cockpit with post-9/11 locked door? Fucking hell, I'd like to see how they cope with th- Oh. He just hit it with a fire extinguisher and it opened. Right.
By the end of the first half it was being handled so cack-handedly that the 'scary noises' made by an unseen creature were not so much a source of dread as a source of weary anticipation at whatever moth-eaten/stupid/unconvincing pantomime monster it eventually ends up being.
Disappointing.
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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Plus, that was a rubbish polar bear suit.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
It looked like the one they used to use on Crackerjack.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
I liked Lost - I thought it was a pleasing blend of Lord of the Flies with breathtakingly good-looking actors and actresses, and racist Asian stereotypes. I also enjoyed the useless fat kid and the fact that most of the chicks were wearing denim hotpants. I can't stress how much that added in terms of watchability.
I missed the first half of the pilot, cuz I'd been watching Australian missed-opportunity Ned Kelly instead. Maybe it was by comparison with that that the second half seemed quite exciting and well scripted. Plus, VP and I weren't aware that there had been a first part to the pilot, so the way we were literally thrown into the story seemed really groundbreaking and original. Until we realised we'd just missed an hour.
Still it was decent enough that I watched half an hour of the third episode on E4 afterwards.
[ 11.08.2005, 09:32: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
Thorn and I settled down to watch this at 10 last night. Initially we thought the way the narrative threw the viewer straight in without much fleshing out was refreshingly original. Then we realised we were watching the second episode and had missed the first.
I thought it was allright. Anything with polar bears in has to be good, surely? Has anyone ever been on a plane with that many good looking passengers?
Edit: glad to see we both got our stories straight.
[ 11.08.2005, 09:33: Message edited by: Vogon Poetess ]
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
They were very laidback strandees, weren't they?
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
The conflicted ditz will be first to be cannibalized.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: Has anyone ever been on a plane with that many good looking passengers?
Come on. Did you miss tokenFattie and tokenOldie?
[ 11.08.2005, 09:41: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Black Mask: The conflicted ditz will be first to be cannibalized.
I thought there would have been more of a cheer when they found the dog... especially from those two orientals! Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: and racist Asian stereotypes
wtf were they about? I got the feeling there'd been a major fucking failure of nerve in terms of them (pure guesswork) possibly being Asian-as-in-Muslim in an early draft of the script and gradually being watered down into safely apolitical Japanese (?) by the time we got to actual casting and production.
I only saw the first half (Sam went mental around 10pm) but have taped the second; we'll watch tonight and - who knows? - I may have changed my mind by this time tomorrow.
I just got the feeling that the 'creepy monster' stuff was pursued very much at the expense of the possibly more interesting Ray Mearsish challenges that this sort of set-up ought to include.
Posted by I am not... (Member # 25) on :
I found it entertaining up to the point when the trees started rustling. Then it all seemed a bit like Jurassic Park and I did a little inward sigh which would have sounded like "scwhwooooo" and went to the kitchen and had a biscuit.
I didn't watch the second bit.
Posted by squeegy (Member # 136) on :
Shucks. Out in the sticks we have already finished watching the first series.
Now I dont want to give anything away (and I dont think I am) but the end of the series made me mad in the same way reading Dan Brown does.
But it was nice to watch something a little fresh and original. I would write more but I dont want to give anything away.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
I enjoyed the bit where they found the transmission of that french woman saying "I'm the only one left - they're all dead. Help me!" which was being auto-repeated from the island for the last 16 years...
[SP] I can't wait for the bits where the beast invades the beach camp, LOTR bloke goes through withdrawal, the pregnant girl gets ill through lack of fluids, they find the french woman alive and Agent Doggett shows up... [/SPOILERS]
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
quote: Now I dont want to give anything away (and I dont think I am) but the end of the series made me mad in the same way reading Dan Brown does.
I have also seen all of it (from the interweb), and I would say it was a different kind of anger.
It is pretty silly, and continues to be so, but enjoyable nonethless.
I have typed about 5 different additional sentences and they all give something away to those with the power of deduction! Shutting up....now.
Posted by Samuelnorton (Member # 48) on :
I found it pretty entertaining, but time will tell as the plot stretches out. I agree with Ben on the post 9/11 cockpit thing - at the time I was wondering how the hell our hero would get in, he coolly smacked it open.
There was also the matter of the dog being on the loose, when one assumes it would have been locked securely in a cage and placed in the hold.
And then... Oh never mind. It's entertainment after all.
Posted by Roy (Member # 705) on :
1) Why don't they find the french tart's transmitter? Her battery has lasted for 16 years. Their one was knackered after ten minutes.
2) What the fuck is all that 118 bollocks in between? A man looks tense as the jungle shakes with strange sounds...cut to two pillocks on a chair
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
I'm surprised they tried to export 'Lost' after it failed so miserably here. They even tried running two 'Lost' marathons in the hopes that people would watch 'from the beginning' and therefore care in the least about the characters. But that also failed to happen. I think the collective attitude of the US viewing audience was "Who's lost? Fuck 'em", and I can't say I'm in the least bit surprised if the show's gotten the same reaction over there.
Perhaps they should have recast and reshot the show for the British audience, kind of a reversal of what they did to The Office when they tried to Americanize it and made it utterly and completely sucktasticly bad.
[ 11.08.2005, 15:27: Message edited by: froopyscot ]
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by froopyscot: I think the collective attitude of the US viewing audience was "Who's lost? Fuck 'em", and I can't say I'm in the least bit surprised to see the show's gotten the same reaction over there.
That's odd - it's being promoted over here as the most popular thing since 24. I assumed it had done pretty well in the US. Also, it picked up loads of *awards.
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
yeah, and hasn't the second season started or is due to start soon? The poster's really put me off, that plus the fact that I'm working six day weeks, going into overtime almost everyday, and am still caffine free which really doesn't help, so I couldn't be sodded to start watching anything really.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: I also enjoyed the useless fat kid and the fact that most of the chicks were wearing denim hotpants. I can't stress how much that added in terms of watchability.
I feel awful saying this but watching the second half of the pilot last night I completely agree with Thorn. There was one completely gratuitous sequence where the sexy serial-killer chick was (washing? cooling down?) in the sea in just her bra and knickers - undoubtedly one of the best moments in television in the past 18 months.
'realism' note: there are going to have to be an awful lot of seals flapping around somewhere on the island to keep a whole polar bear going for 16 years.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: the sexy serial-killer chick was (washing? cooling down?) in the sea in just her bra and knickers - undoubtedly one of the best moments in television in the past 18 months.
She has the least attractive body I've ever clapped eyes on. What's wrong with you?
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Black Mask: She has the least attractive body I've ever clapped eyes on.
You need to get out more...
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
quote:Originally posted by Black Mask: She has the least attractive body I've ever clapped eyes on.
You need to get out more...
No. No, I really don't. She has hips like a little boy and tits like damsons.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
[IMG]http://www.small-print.co.uk/tmogallery/files/Evangeline%20Lilly.jpg [/IMG] Big wow. A twelve-year-old boy in his sister's padded bra.
[ 12.08.2005, 04:17: Message edited by: Black Mask ]
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Look, the internet's so disgusted it won't even show a picture of her.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Oh Yawn. I haven't seen someone doing that whole "I don't fancy her she's minging!" thing about an obviously attractive woman since I was about 15. O wait - Boy Racer did it a little while back about Angelina Jolie. Boy Racer and Black Mask.
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
It's the lithe athletic look, BM. You know, energetic and supple in bed. A body that ages well- less to go saggy.
Anyway, they don't let women that pregnant on planes, surely? Also, having missed the first episode, where were they flying from and to?
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
For the benefit of Black Mask's eyes:
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Oh Yawn. I haven't seen someone doing that whole "I don't fancy her she's minging!" thing about an obviously attractive woman since I was about 15. O wait - Boy Racer did it a little while back about Angelina Jolie. Boy Racer and Black Mask.
How would doing that in any way benefit me?
How? She looks like a boy and I don't get hot looking at boys bodies. When appraising a female body, which, I shudder to admit, I occasionally do, I look for things like hips, tits, buttocks, thighs, belly, flesh... not jagged bone arching through paper-thin fatless skin.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: You know, energetic and supple in bed.
That's balls.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: Also, having missed the first episode, where were they flying from and to?
Sydney to Los Angeles.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: For the benefit of Black Mask's eyes:
She is marginally more attractive than Ms. Lilly.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
For the benefit of Black Mask's eyes:
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by Black Mask: She has the least attractive body I've ever clapped eyes on. What's wrong with you?
She's a fox - and dangerous. What's not to like. So who would you say are the Back Mask top five TV beauties?
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: So who would you say are the Back Mask top five TV beauties?
Bella Emberg's gotta be up there... That woman on Wife Swap? Three ladies on that Feeders documentary.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: So who would you say are the Back Mask top five TV beauties?
I don't think about it that much... let me have a look on the internet and get back to you.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: She's a fox - and dangerous. What's not to like.
Damn straight. There's nothing wrong with athletic girls who seem as though they might knife ou in the back half way through fucking you just to see the expression on your face. The kind of girl who'd come at you with a blade, forcing you to grabe her by the wrists and pin her down; who'd pant and struggle into your ear, roll you onto your back and straddle you, trying to wrestle her arms free to deliver the killer blow. Then as you roll on the floor you suddenly, without thinking flick your tongue out against her neck. You both rear up, startled, and then your tongues are in each others mouths, her lithe legs wrapping round your, her long fingers tugging at your shirt. But wait! is this just a ploy to get you off guard? Are you simply falling into her trap? Does it matter? Isn't this worth a knife between the shoulder blades? etc.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
I can't think of anyone off of the telly. Google an image search for 'voluptuous' and you'll get some idea of what I'm thinking about.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
That's a pathetic cop out. Hand over your balls to the cloakroom attendant as you exit, please.
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
Oh Maskie, I fear you and I are never going to engage in any form of sordid meat-based forum affair. You'll never make it onto the TMO Ho Flo-Chart of Tart.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Life's too short to fuck skinny chicks.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
quote:Originally posted by ben: So who would you say are the Back Mask top five TV beauties?
Bella Emberg's gotta be up there... That woman on Wife Swap? Three ladies on that Feeders documentary.
But you've conflated fat with ugly and skinny with beautiful in the most simplistic manner. Unskinny doesn't neccessarily mean mingingly vile and ugly. Look at Mia Tyler:
I'd love to *insert muttering sex stuff here like some dirty old man* her.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: But you've conflated fat with ugly and skinny with beautiful in the most simplistic manner. Unskinny doesn't neccessarily mean mingingly vile and ugly.
My top five was merely a piss take of BM's repulsion at the athletic figure. I don't think unskinny is ugly. I'd be equally happy inside Kate Moss or Sophie Dahl.
Fat Actress then? Is it funny? Posted by H1ppychick (Member # 529) on :
Sophie Dahl is skinny. Or are you implying that Kate Moss is a bit of a biffer? Either way, you lose points for lack of factitude.
ETA Moss, curses.
[ 12.08.2005, 06:32: Message edited by: H1ppychick ]
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
Yeah Misc, you weren't exactly talking about ooposite ends of the scale - you ought to have said, "I, Misc, would be equally happy inside Dawn French as Kate Moss." Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
I reckon BM's a Sarah Beeny or Kirsty Alsop kinda guy. Curvy, nicely turned ankle, and reet dirty in bed. I'd imagine.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: BM's repulsion at the athletic figure.
Repulsion is maybe a bit strong. Did it come over as repulsion? I don't find her (or any other 'athletic' woman) repulsive. I just don't find her attractive. Media producers constantly show us images of whip-thin women and expect us to salivate. I don't understand it. I don't think the people (men) who tout these images of feminine perfection have ever been up close to a woman, I certainly can't imagine they've ever been intimate with a woman. Not a woman with a soft curvy body, at least.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by herbs: I reckon BM's a Sarah Beeny or Kirsty Alsop kinda guy. Curvy, nicely turned ankle, and reet dirty in bed. I'd imagine.
Exactly! I couldn't think of any celebs off the top of my head. I don't really think of anyone I haven't actually met as sexy. Know what I mean?
Posted by H1ppychick (Member # 529) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: Yeah Misc, you weren't exactly talking about ooposite ends of the scale - you ought to have said, "I, Misc, would be equally happy inside Dawn French as Kate Moss."
Mind you, this is Misc we're talking about, sub-9 stone diet-of-coffee Misc. I'm not quite sure that his perceptions of what's thin and what's fat are quite what most people have.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Black Mask: Repulsion is maybe a bit strong. Did it come over as repulsion? I don't find her (or any other 'athletic' woman) repulsive.
OK, but you did say she had the "least attractive body you'd clapped eyes on" which implies (to me at least) that if you would ever be repulsed by a body, it would be hers. I think I'm right in assuming that repulsion is the opposite of attraction.
On the Sophie Dahl issue, I wasn't aware that she'd slimmed down. I cited her as she was once famous for being a larger-than-avergae model - at a healthy size 16 as far as I remember. Other examples of non-waifs who I find attractive:
Christina Ricci Thora Birch Kellifer - my partner of eight years...
But I don't see why I should have to justify myself. Would I be a bad person if I only fancied skinny chicks?
PS: I'm over nine stone again now...
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: But I don't see why I should have to justify myself. Would I be a bad person if I only fancied skinny chicks?
Well, exactly. The chick from Lost looks moer toned than skinny, anyway. She looks physical; robust. I suppose if you're looking for women who look like they'd be good child-bearers and great cooks, maybe the chubby, curvy thing comes in there. But that's not to say lithe, slender ladies who look like they could chase down a jungle cat and cut its throat with a hunting knife are all unattractive. I mean, alot of "healthy size 16" girls look like they couldn't chase down a bus without going purple and clutching at their chests and dropping to the ground. What's attractive about that?
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: lithe, slender ladies who look like they could chase down a jungle cat and cut its throat with a hunting knife
Jesus...
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
Other examples of non-waifs who I find attractive:
Christina Ricci Thora Birch Kellifer - my partner of eight years...
But Misc, seeing as the average size for women in this country is 16/18 (whatever they say it is this week), this means you you're still a shameless fattist. You have to fancy a proper fat bird to win.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
I think Christina Ricci has done a sufficiently dramatic 'ooh, it's just yoga' drastic weight loss to be featured in Heat's 'eat a pie' regular section. She's about one stone.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: You have to fancy a proper fat bird to win.
What do I win?
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: What do I win?
A year's subscription to here.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
Don't you fancy Kelly Osbourne too Misc ? There's a girl who is no stranger to a pie.And I think we'd all agree on Allsop, she's a pate muncher alright, but fit as a butchers dog
I'm also quite fond of the woman in the 'Dove body firming wash' adert who says she has a 'bum like a bouncy castle'
[ 12.08.2005, 07:42: Message edited by: Darryn.R ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: A year's subscription to here.
God. The gallery section is astonishing.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: A year's subscription to here.
God. The gallery section is astonishing.
A particularly chilling snap of a stall captured surely the most emetic phrase on earth - 'whimsical fat-friendly gifts'.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by herbs: 'whimsical fat-friendly gifts'.
lol - what, like a seven-year subscription to Plus-Size Bride magazine?
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
I think it's more like sponges on a stick - for wiping one's arse when 30 stone - amusingly fashioned to resemble a stick of celery, or something.
Posted by Tom Boy (Member # 765) on :
sorry to go backwards but I would just like to draw some attention to the picture of Angelina Jolie on the BBC website linked to earlier, she looks like a junkie who's been in a fight in that particular picture, however good she looks on computer games
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
D'you fancy fat birds, Tom Boy?
Posted by Tom Boy (Member # 765) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: D'you fancy fat birds, Tom Boy?
I am not anti fat-bird, and have been with a couple of slightly rotund-ish ladies, though preference is for a sleeker more athletic type. Fat birds have to be really great people (which they quite often are, having to supplement aesthetics with personality) and be facially attractive (very important for any girl) for me to go for her. My current GF is really strong and generally fucking 'ard, we were standing at a bus stop when she decided to pick me up and put me over her shoulder and spin me round, I weigh about 12 stone, man and she just picked me up like a childe. She used to be a lifeguard back home in SA so very fit, and very at home in minimal clothing Posted by discodamage (Member # 66) on :
lol. weep. lol. weep. lol. weep. rinse. repeat.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Could you be more specific? How can we learn to improve unless we know which bits you're lolling at and which make you weep?
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
And which bits made you rinse?
Posted by discodamage (Member # 66) on :
it wasnt a comment on the thread. i finally got round to watching 'love actually' and was providing a precis. what an excellent film. i enjoyed every minute. okay, maybe every other minute. okay, maybe 3 of them.
Posted by Modge (Member # 64) on :
I am sad that noone likes Lost.
Also, how come everyone has a big problem with serial-killer girl's body but not the 8-month-pregnant-with-teeny-little-arms-,-legs-and-boobs girl's body?
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I love Lost: though am appalled to note my tastes tending far more towards the ludicrously overplayed obviously rugged ridiculously Mills'n'Boon retro hero Jack rather than the stripy-topped, eye-linered, knuckle-graffiteed heroin-addict guy. What's that about? It's like having a wank over Penthouse instead of, I dunno, some sick netporn like Bangbus or Dirty's Dicksuckers. Is getting old inevitably about becoming completely fucking traditional, even against one's best intent?
Er sorry, anyway. Lost: what's not to like? Good-looking people in distress. It's a winner every time.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Is getting old inevitably about becoming completely fucking traditional, even against one's best intent?
I don't know - did you find any of the dudes on Studs of Suburbia hott at all? That would be a pretty good assessment of how vanilla you've become. My prediction is that you'd just melt for Doncaster/Scunthorpe lothario Alan, who even lived in a village called 'Thorn' ffs.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I didn't watch it. I hate 'studs'. That's how traditional I am these days. I saw one, and he looked old. I guess I haven't quite reached the stage of conflating 'old' and 'hot' like females are supposed to. Phew.
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
quote:Originally posted by Modge: I am sad that noone likes Lost.
Also, how come everyone has a big problem with serial-killer girl's body but not the 8-month-pregnant-with-teeny-little-arms-,-legs-and-boobs girl's body?
Oh, I'm glad that somebody else noticed that. I'm assuming we're in for a grisly birth scene at some point.
I'm enjoying it more and more. I like the way you get caught up in the survival soap-opera aspect of things, and then there's an unexpectedly scary Evil Dead-monster-in-the-long-grass jolty random bit.
I like Dr Jack Hero and Sayid "Electronics & Weapons" Mohammed. Mmmm, nice arms.
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
As time goes on mad Korean dude becomes more and more attractive, but I think Sayid wins in the long run.
I wish I hadnt seen the whole series already, then I could talk about it too. Booo.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I forgot about Sahid (sp?). He rules. He can MEND THINGS. He is rent apart by love. I'm holding out for a hero!!!!
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Jack is totally going to crack sometime soon. Everyone is asking him for everything - medical related or not. "Jack - I need you to do the memorial service." "Jack the woman over there is ignoring me!" "Jack I forgot to go to the loo and I wet myself!" "Jack can you remind me to breathe every few seconds, Jack." Sooner or later he's going to hound all the survivors into the fuselage and bake them alive.
I enjoyed the revelation at the end of this episode - the thing with Locke being a cripple - especially as it showed that the office guy bullying him in the flashbacks wasn't just being a prick, he was actually mocking the office cripple for not being able to walk, lol.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Would it be best to keep this discussion in line with the latest terrestrial episode, and away from the events of the E-iv episode?
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
Yes, don't complicate things with your eefor witchery.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
I wanted to watch the E4 edition last night, but my crackpot flatmate wouldn't let me. She wanted to go to bed, but despite having a perfectly serviceable bedroom with double bed, had got it into her brain that she was going to sleep on the laminate floor in the living room, depriving me of my extra hour of desert island action.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
I'll be taping the Sunday repeat - fast-forwarding is far preferable to sitting through the one-ad-break-every-ten-fucking-minutes idiocy of live viewing. Greedy Channel 4 cunries.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
I haven't seen any of it since the first episode. Have I actually missed anything or has it just been a bunch of people running around the jungle arguing while the old man sits on a rock playing backgammon knowingly?
Has anyone dropped a rock on Piggy yet?
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: I'll be taping the Sunday repeat - fast-forwarding is far preferable to sitting through the one-ad-break-every-ten-fucking-minutes idiocy of live viewing. Greedy Channel 4 cunries.
I'm working on a telly trade mag at the moment, and you'll be pleased to know that one of its news stories is that Ofcom is going to bitch-slap (technical term) Channel 4 for the frequency of the ad breaks. Apparently, ads are only supposed to be on every 20 minutes, but in the opening episode the first break occured at 14 minutes, the second after five minutes and the third after eight minutes. Naughty C4.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
I noticed that. The first break came on and the person i was watching with suggested I come stand outside with her while she smoked a cigarette. By the time we got back, it was just going into the second ad break.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by herbs: I'm working on a telly trade mag at the moment, and you'll be pleased to know that one of its news stories is that Ofcom is going to bitch-slap (technical term) Channel 4 for the frequency of the ad breaks.
Can they put in a word about the sound level of the adverts too? The Stella Artois/Jean de Florette bit that bookends ad breaks in C4 movies makes me jump more than anything in the films themselves, and it's always a mad scramble for the volume control so you can actually talk to each other while the ads are on.
Also, why is The Archers half the volume of the rest of the programmes on Radio 4? Er, not that I listen to The Archers, but my old lady does and she has to turn the sound up so loud that the speakers start buzzing before you can hear the dialogue. Then Charlotte Green comes on at the end and sounds like the fucking voice of God. Mind you, she might well be the voice of God actually.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65:
quote:Originally posted by herbs: I'm working on a telly trade mag at the moment, and you'll be pleased to know that one of its news stories is that Ofcom is going to bitch-slap (technical term) Channel 4 for the frequency of the ad breaks.
Can they put in a word about the sound level of the adverts too? The Stella Artois/Jean de Florette bit that bookends ad breaks in C4 movies makes me jump more than anything in the films themselves, and it's always a mad scramble for the volume control so you can actually talk to each other while the ads are on.
Some of the satellite channels are even worse for this, particularly when 80% of the adverts are for fucking ringtones.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
For noisy ads get a TV with a volume regulator built in, our Phillips keeps the ads at the same volume as the shows.
Before we had the new TV Beckett would often be woken by blisteringly loud adverts that follow quiet shows on Sky which was a right pain.
[ 25.08.2005, 06:55: Message edited by: Darryn.R ]
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Darryn.R: For noisy ads get a TV with a volume regulator built in, our Phillips keeps the ads at the same volume as the shows.
Wouldn't that also flatten the sound within programmes (e.g. explosions have less impact and music would sound compressed), or is that not how they work?
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
can't say I've noticed it doing that myself, but it does stop the huge volume jumps when moving from one loud advert to a normal volume show.
I've also not noticed it doing a volume adjustment on channel hopping either, some channels are just louder than others and they stay louder but have an even volume tone throughout without pitching when moving from shows to adverts.
Explosions still sound the same as before..
I figure it works somehow like the program MP3gain which I use to normalise and equal volumes on various MP3 files which all sound different volumes on my Ipod or PC. MP3gain allows you to set the db level you want for all the tracks you have and either ups or downs the volume to balance them all out. The quiet bts of songs are still quiet, the loud bits still loud but you don't have to reach for the volume control when switching between tracks on shuffle.
[ 25.08.2005, 07:18: Message edited by: Darryn.R ]
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by Darryn.R: Explosions still sound the same as before..
I remember hearing once that the sound effects industry spent many years trying to find the best way of recording an explosion sound but never managed to improve on someone going KKKKKKrrrrrrreukkkkkk, like kids do when they're playing plane crashes.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Darryn.R: Explosions still sound the same as before..
"BOOOOOM!" ? Cuz that's important, I think.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
KA-BOOM as well.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
My Bush telly has a sound squashy thing and it's rubbish. it kills all loud high frequency sounds, which includes most music, explosions, and all kinds of stuff. The worst is when playing computer games like gran turismo, where the volume will get quieter and quieter as the engine revs higher. Now I know there are some executive car manufacturers who would love technology like that, but when you're trying to break your lap recrods and maintain ultimate concentration, it can be very distracting.
I guess you gets what you pays for though. It's a bush after all.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
I'm surprised Ringo hasn't uttered a word of Teh Fast And Teh Furious 3: Japan yet. Especially as he's been watching so much Initial D
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
Initial D = fantastic. teh fast and teh furious = teh gobshite.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: Thorn and I settled down to watch this at 10 last night. Initially we thought the way the narrative threw the viewer straight in without much fleshing out was refreshingly original. Then we realised we were watching the second episode and had missed the first.
Only just read the first page of this thread. This exact same thing happened to me with Evil Dead 2. This was back in the days when Evil Dead one was still illegal, so we were quite excited even to be seeing ED2. And then we put it in the video and - BAM - there's Ash, hyperventilating, in the forest, blood streaming down his face. Wowsa! We thought it was the raddest beginning to a film ever, and told all our mates about how amazing and groundbreaking and -
--yeah, you can guess the rest. So good we watched it again a few months later. Disappointment doesn't even begin to cover it.
Posted by Roy (Member # 705) on :
I think its really clever of Channel Four to put a show between the adverts. It's a bit like the nescafe gold stuff, but with a bigger budget.
Posted by Boy Racer (Member # 498) on :
I'm quite liking Lost, even if it is a bit silly.
I'm mildly irritated by The Buddha of Suburbia playing a frickin Iraqi, most of the cast are attractive in a blandly unsexy way, and I suspect Ben is all too on the money regarding the inevitable disappointment of the eventual monster reveal. Unless it turns out to be Ricardo Moltalban.
Also those with cable/sat you could do much worse than fuck Lost off in favour of the vastly superior HBO masterwork The Wire, now in it's second series on FX/the fox channel. And you should all be watching Dead(cocksucking)wood too.
[ 30.08.2005, 04:23: Message edited by: Boy Racer ]
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
By the way, is anyone else getting a strong suspicion that the series is inevitably leading to the "clever twist" that they all died in the plane crash and the island is their limbo/redemption phase or something? That would be pretty lame- only one step up from "and then I woke up and it was all a dream".
Thorn's looking forward to the fat lad's flashback.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
There's a second series of Lost so it's a pretty safe bet they don't get rescued.
Posted by H1ppychick (Member # 529) on :
I'm lovin' the Sawyer dimples. More, please.
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
Using the power of the internet I managed to watch the whole first series without knowing there was a second one on the way.
Have you got to the bit where shutupshutupshutup. Mind you Hurleys flashback is good, I was convinced he would be a big player in the role playing world.
[ 22.09.2005, 05:56: Message edited by: Abby ]
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
Christ, I cant think or type today.
Posted by Boy Racer (Member # 498) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: By the way, is anyone else getting a strong suspicion that the series is inevitably leading to the "clever twist" that they all died in the plane crash and the island is their limbo/redemption phase or something?
My mate Neil does, he keeps shouting "you're already dead" at characters like somesort of mantra, or maybe as an example of his incredible acumen at working this out. And yes if he/you/anyone who can take the flurry of hints like blows to the face that this 'may' be the case are right it would be very, very lame indeed. But Lost is kind of lame.
E4 episode last night with Sayid's flashbacks was very good.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
That's the thing - the hints that they're already dead are so blatant and frequent I reckon it must be misdirection.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Maybe they're zombies.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Maybe, it doesn't really matter... Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Well no, obviously it doesn't matter, any more than making sure you kill every baddie in Resident Evil 4 matters* . It's more the case that when you're presented with a puzzle it's fun to attempt to solve it.
[ 22.09.2005, 07:40: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
No... maybe the camera will pull back to reveal... ANOTHER CAMERA! And we realise we're watching the making of a TV drama filmed on a set where strange invisible things are pursuing the cast and crew. Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Then, right, that will matter...
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Did you manage to neutralise the terrorists in Rainbow Six, by the way? Did you realise that if you turn off the gamebox then they go away by themselves?
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Did you manage to neutralise the terrorists in Rainbow Six, by the way? Did you realise that if you turn off the gamebox then they go away by themselves?
NO! I fucked that off. I bought Hulk: Ultimate Destruction, instead. Hulk smash! Hulk fling cow! Hulk hanglide on giant monkey!
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Hulk Ultimate Destruction rules, btw.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Hold on!
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Did you realise that if you turn off the gamebox then they go away by themselves?
How does that work, then?
Posted by Modge (Member # 64) on :
Apparently the producers of the show confirmed (during the showing of the first series in the US) that there is no dead people/limbo type explanation, and that everything that happens can be explained by logic. However, the programme is made by the same people that make Alias so their definition of logic might be a tad... loose.
Other rumours I have heard, complete with ModgeRating:
~ the little boy has some kind of power to make things happen - he reads about a polar bear and one appears etc - and he made the plane crash because he didn't want to go back to america with his dad (unlikely)
~ one of the "survivors" was in fact not on the plane that crashed (possible and interesting)
~ Locke has been to the island before (hmmm)
~ Locke wasn't paralysed previously, but had actually lost his legs entirely (not medically possible like the cured paralysis)
~ The Island has some kind of power to give people things that they want (don't like this idea)
~ The first class passengers survived and are on the other side of the island. They will be the focus of series 2 (plausible)
~ The french lady is alive and kicking and whacked Sayid on the head (plausible, maybe too obvious)
~ The island was used for some kind of animal medical experiments, hence the polar bear roaming around, and the "monster" is a result of these experiments (maybe?)
~ The monster manifests itself to different people in different ways, kind of like that thing in Harry Potter that shows itself as a persons worst fear. (well Locke did, maybe, see it... doesn't follow the supposed logic though)
[ 22.09.2005, 08:49: Message edited by: Modge ]
Posted by mimolette (Member # 478) on :
Desperate Housewives will probably turn up, and then they'll all have a party. That would be nice.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Ok. Ok. Hi. Can anyone hear me? I've been here for sixteen years and... they're already dead... the others came and... I've been here for sixteen years and...
no one
no one
no one
cares
does anyone care? Anymore? Do you? Don't you? Why not? What have you got that's so much--
Oh right yeah. Zombies. MMORPGs. BRILLIANT!!!!! Good for you! Wow, er, does anyone have a needle, I'm barricaded in the mall, and I don't know there's this guy is he dead, is he a zombie, his status says like maybe dead... they're coming... can anyone help CAN ANYONE HELP ANY QUEER JEW ANYONE ANY
any
one
no
n
Ok.
Have you all lost interest in old media, like television? Like gripping television? Like admittedly frustrating non-narrative closure you'd have thought we'd all got over all that postmodern bullshit after the X-Files but it appears not fucking interesting exellent telly?
So it would seem.
Anyone? Please? Modge? Please?
quote:Originally posted by Modge: Apparently the producers of the show confirmed (during the showing of the first series in the US) that there is no dead people/limbo type explanation, and that everything that happens can be explained by logic. However, the programme is made by the same people that make Alias so their definition of logic might be a tad... loose.
Other rumours I have heard, complete with ModgeRating:
~ the little boy has some kind of power to make things happen - he reads about a polar bear and one appears etc - and he made the plane crash because he didn't want to go back to america with his dad (unlikely)
No but BUT.... as we saw tonight... unlucky fat guy (Hurley?) reading about polar bear in comic on plane...
quote:Originally posted by Modge: ~ one of the "survivors" was in fact not on the plane that crashed (possible and interesting)
Ethan, yes, irritatingly shot by Charlie before we could find out what the fuck?
quote:Originally posted by Modge: ~ Locke has been to the island before (hmmm)
Unconfirmed
quote:Originally posted by Modge: ~ Locke wasn't paralysed previously, but had actually lost his legs entirely (not medically possible like the cured paralysis)
Or, Locke *was* paralysed previously, and regained leg use (fave episode so far???) Oh wait you had already seen this when you posted this right.
quote:Originally posted by Modge: ~ The Island has some kind of power to give people things that they want (don't like this idea)
Hm.... interesting.... Kate is free, Jack finds out that dad was sorry and loved him... Locke can walk... Shannon is free of brotherlove and loves real man... Sawyer dies... Korean chick separates from husband... Korean dude doesn't have to deliver watch to gangster people... black dude does not have to look after child after all... er.... other stuff.... can't remember... oh yeah, Charlie gets to offer protection to someone... um...
quote:Originally posted by Modge: ~ The first class passengers survived and are on the other side of the island. They will be the focus of series 2 (plausible)
Ooh, er... does first class have special ejector seats? But is possible; nobody in plane flashback tonight was in first class, were they?
quote:Originally posted by Modge: ~ The french lady is alive and kicking and whacked Sayid on the head (plausible, maybe too obvious)
This did happen, right?
quote:Originally posted by Modge: ~ The island was used for some kind of animal medical experiments, hence the polar bear roaming around, and the "monster" is a result of these experiments (maybe?)
Possible... down the shaft... the stupid, frustrating shaft...
quote:Originally posted by Modge: ~ The monster manifests itself to different people in different ways, kind of like that thing in Harry Potter that shows itself as a persons worst fear. (well Locke did, maybe, see it... doesn't follow the supposed logic though)
Locke definitely seemed to be suspecting something like this, didn't he? He kept peeking out from the bushes, seeming to suspect that if you weren't frightened, it wasn't actually there or something...
DOES ANYBODY CARE. AM I THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS GODFORSAKEN, ZOMBIE-RIDDEN FORUM that gives a shit?
Tell me I'm not wrong. Tell me I'n not alone. Tell me something. Anything. I've been here for sixteen years and everyone else is gone....
[ 11.01.2006, 20:05: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
is this about Lost? that show is SHIT. i don't, genuinely i don't, understand why anyone would waste their lives on it. really, wtf?
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Yeah, it's about Lost. Whoever titled this thread (BEN) was not schooled in the notion that the only way to guide people around the internet is to name things in the most user-friendly, simplistic way. It might not seem that way at the time, when everyone is talking about the subject - but months later, when searches on 'Lost' and 'Lost / Jack / Island / Locke' etc fail to turn up ANYTHING, you suddenly realise the importance of naming your threads. It's like tagging, you know? You think you know where all your photos are and tagging is pointless, until you realise that if you don't see that picture of Marianna grinning while you and John gently make out in the background RIGHT NOW you're going to fucking DIE. And then the whole social software thing just kicks right in...
Ben, please edit thread title to 'Lost'. Go on...
[ 11.01.2006, 20:39: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
the only show worthy of discussion in the o.c.. obviously.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Is it worth doing an OC Season 3 thread?
[ 11.01.2006, 21:34: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
we need to catch up on season 2 first, complete with props
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
I lost interest in Lost sometime around the tenth episode. The formula got really tiresome. Flashback-survival-flashback-crumbs of mystery-flashback-twist. I would have kept watching, but it just seemed to me like they were making it up as they went along, and that no-one, anywhere in the world has a clear idea of exactly what's happening and how it can all be explained in a satisfying manner. If they want it to run for four seasons, then the mysteries will pile up until the ratings drop, and they chuck in an inconclusive reveal that doesn't fit with a bunch of stuff they forgot they threw in back at the beginning. A puzzle with no solution isn't really much fun.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
You've been stuck on Mental Island for months and have managed to build a raft in order to escape with your son and some randoms. You set sail into the unknown with a dodgy radar and eventually you hear signs of life. You use your only flare to attract a boat which eventually starts moving towards you. "Oh my god, we're finally gonna be rescued!" you think to yourself.
When the boat arrives, you're greeted by a bunch of paedoes who kidnap your son and destroy your raft. You're left treading water in the middle of a sea.
How gutted would you be?
I watched this last night with Kellifer who remarked "What the fuck?" followed by "The plot of *Doctors is more engaging than this".
How did they get a second season?
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I don't watch TV now that peep show has finished.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
It did get frustrating.... last night after the show we had to count up what it was we'd actually learnt in the two hours we'd been there - what facts:
The hatch leads to a shaft
"The Others" exist
- that's it. But still, I found it gripping. But then, it's the only TV show I watch. My wife suggested that if you had lots of channels and watched lots of TV it might not seem so gripping.
[ 12.01.2006, 04:58: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
However I finally got round to watching Dust Devil the other night, and that was pretty good. Some of the acting was a bit weak, but it was a good story, and the locations were used well. Namibia is a very dry place indeed. I liked the bit where the woman blew the man's head off with a shotgun. And I liked the way that the people were called by the place that they came from, so while 'Texas' was shagging the chick, her husband, 'South Africa', was getting his white head kicked in by black bar patrons.
Overall, probably not one to watch if you're very tired or suffering from a headache/hangover, but otherwise, it's worth a punt.
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
I think there is a gem of a great idea in Lost, and at its best it was genuinely gripping TV. However, it is really crippled by the seeming insistence that all US drama shows be 22-25 episodes long, as it could feasibly have been wrapped up in 10 shows. Only about 1 in 3 episodes was good, the rest was just filler, with a lot of repeated themes and shots.
I stubbornly watched every single one, except for one where the new VCR chewed up the tape. However, I really can't be fucked with doing it all over again for Season Two. I pointed out to Thorn last night that we sat down to watch the first episode (actually we missed that because it was on earlier) in our old Croydon screaming baby flat, and we moved out over 4 months ago. That's just a ridiculously long amount of time.
So my plan for today is to read what happens in Season Two on the internet and save myself a whole load of time.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: [QB My wife suggested that if you had lots of channels and watched lots of TV it might not seem so gripping. [/QB]
It's true. Since I got cable, my TV watching has steadily declined. I do turn it on, for company, but don't pay attention. I think that the last thing I watched was a double bill of Buffy (which I've never really watched before) followed by a double bill of Star Trek Voyager, where they were in the matrix, fighting robot people. I only watched these because I was skanking off work, feeling sorry myself, and I couldn't be arsed to get up and turn my computer on so I could watch Ghost in the Shell. Annoyingly, my DVD player and 14" TV have a few issues that they can't work out, so everything gets letter boxed to the max - I think that the DVD player only operates at 50hz, but the TV is 40Hz, or something like that. So I tend to use my computer to watch films.
What was the question again?
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
I just happened across a Lost Season One *message board. It's quite entertaining:
quote: Ok, if you replay the scene right after where they throw the dynamite into the hole, go to around 1:30-1:31. You'll note that when the fog dissappears, it appears to go in the direction Jack's ear. The reason I'm bringing this up is because, if they ARE nanobots, or this IS some kind of monster, watch Jack's reaction immediately after the fog appears to enter his head. He reacts like SOMETHING WENT INTO HIS EAR/HEAD (1:32). This COULD be some kind of revelation. Maybe the monster has already gone into Locke's head (way earlier in the season when he came in contact with it). Maybe THIS is the infection (I know this has been theorized, but here's actual potential video footage of HOW the "monster" (aka virus) infects people!!!!
Here is an animated picture of the black smoke going into Jack's ear:
LOL.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: My wife suggested that if you had lots of channels and watched lots of TV it might not seem so gripping.
I dunno - I don't think it's that exactly. It's about the only TV programme I've watched over the last (what? eight months?) and it still seemed really tired before it got to the halfway point. I think it might just have been a bit shit.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I think that the X-Files killed off my ability to watch long running TV shows.
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: But still, I found it gripping. But then, it's the only TV show I watch. My wife suggested that if you had lots of channels and watched lots of TV it might not seem so gripping.
I have an anooying friend who doesn't have a TV. He comes round mine once a week to watch Lost. It's the only show he watches. I told him, if I could only watch one TV show it wouldn't be fucking that. Gawd!
ER was on the other day! It looked fairly new. Is it still going then? I didn't realise. Good old ER. Currently I don't watch any non-factual British TV (except, um, Holby City sometimes) - what's out there forum? What are good shows to watch?
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Phil Mitchell says... Eastenders! Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Demi Miller says...
Eastenders! Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Juley Smith says...
Eastenders, bruv! Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: Since I got cable, my TV watching has steadily declined. I do turn it on, for company, but don't pay attention.
I had teh same thing, the TV was just noise, but now I have Sky+ which is absolutely brilliant. There's loads of stuff off like BBC4 that I'll watch now, albeit threee weeks later when I'm actually in the mood. Tend to watch TV in snippets now - twenty minutes here, thirty there. But it's good, I control the TV it doesnt control me!
I say: Ban Misc.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: I say: Ban Misc.
You're no fun anymore.
Besides, if you ban me from here, I'll spend all my time on the Lost Forum, reading stuff like this:
The thread is called Why did 'the others' need walt?:
quote:Maybe they need a small child to do something in terms of mining. Maybe he would fit somewhere that an adult wouldn't.
quote: Planning for the future. In my Business degree I have studied workforce employment analysis statistics and a decent workforce should constantly evaluate itself to try and keep a balance of experience (for training & teaching) and youth (for the future).
I think that this is exactly what "the others" are doing. Recruiting the youth and training them up to certain standards. Makes sense.
[ 12.01.2006, 06:04: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
The best technique for watching Lost is to download all of it, and watch it in chunks of about 3 episodes late at night when you come home drunk, while drinking more booze.
This makes it more fun.
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
I found the best technique for watching lost was to tune in last night for the first time to the final 3 minutes, as they were all winking and smiling smugly about it interspersed to the bit where they open that hatch, sigh and think "what a load of old bollocks that must have been" then just read the threads on here and make up my own mind.
Or just switch over and watch the poker instead.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
I've read that 'Surface' (starting soon ITV2 or 3) is suppose to be one of the best 'SCI FI/HORROR/MYSTERY' series out there.
Better than lost, faster than Invasion, not as daft as Supernatural and spookier than 'that one on sky with the funny logo 'Threshold'
Lost was dull.
[ 12.01.2006, 08:08: Message edited by: Darryn.R ]
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
It was so gripping I had to keep turning round and slapping my wife's thigh with both hands during all the exciting bits. I don't know what that was all about, and I don't understand you people.
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