MY HOT MILK OVERBOILED AND NOW THAT GLASS PLATE IN THE MICROWAVE NEEDS CLEANING
kisses
PS: Reason for hot milk is that I cant sleep due to excitment over new car that i collected today. It rocks :-)
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Originally posted by Pink:
I cant sleep due to excitment over new car that i collected today. It rocks :-)
Have similar problem as my new Land Rover will finally be ready tomorrow. I'm half excited about having a lovely new motor, and half dreading a) people staring at it/me as I drive around (this model is quite unusual - haven't seen a single one elsewhere yet), b) having it deliberately scratched/stolen/dented and c) finding it's actually a fuel guzzling, uncomfortable ride, impossible to park at Tescos and miserably slow on motorways. We'll soon see.
im so excited and i somehow have to troll my way through 7 whole days before i get to leave on a jetplane.
in order to get to amsterdam i have to get on a plane!
dont like them.
[ 27 March 2003: Message edited by: discodamage ]
oh no i thought of something.
the media office at work lost my 2500 report on the professional practises and now i have to go to college to hand in another copy when id really much rather sit on the sofa and eat toast
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Originally posted by discodamage:
the media office at work lost my 2500 report on the professional practises and now i have to go to college to hand in another copy when id really much rather sit on the sofa and eat toast
You poor fucker.
quote:
Originally posted by discodamage:
in order to get to amsterdam i have to get on a plane!
DD, do you arrive early or late or midday ?
Do you want me to offer to pick you up at Schipol and guide you to your hotel ? Cos I will.
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Originally posted by Raz:
You poor fucker.
to be fair, raz, i think the incompetence of losing a 2500 word essay- the basis of my marks for an entire module- and noone bothering to ask me for three weeks why i hadnt handed it in, is something to rant about just a little bit. maybe i gave superfluous importance to the eating toast bit.
darryn- seeing as this is my first time ever arriving in a foreign city on my own im kinda digging the idea of getting the train and taxis and stuff actually, in a proper lone backpacker kind of way. but thank you for the offer of offering. 
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Originally posted by discodamage:
maybe i gave superfluous importance to the eating toast bit.
It's true. I didn't get any toast. 
"Jule and I had a talk about 'the boys'. Because 'the boys' are not doing any housework. No cleaning. None. They'll do the dishwasher but to the bare minimum. Very little emptying of bin, instead the commencement of a second bag beside the bin. Minimal taking of bottles to the recycling box. No sweeping of floor. No mopping. No dusting. No hoovering of carpeted areas. No cleaning of bathrooms. Apparently Richard pees all over the floor in the bathroom downstairs, and then leaves it there, where Jule treads in it, and then it bleaches the colour out of the red vinyl flooring. NICE! And Mark does not pick his hair out of the drain, clean the glass in the shower or clean the sink.
So! Before it goes ANY FURTHER we have to have house meeting, because we want it to be clean, and nice, not scraggly and dirty and studenty, but we do not want the girls to do all the cleaning, because it is the TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY and things should have moved on. I bet they don't though. i bet this is a problem FOREVER.
The question is: do boys not notice the mess? Do they not know that if you clean things, they become nice? Do they know, but not care? Do they know, care, rub their hands with glee, and say 'mua ha HAAA! Those stupid girls are doing EVERYTHING!' or what? What? Why? what should we say? How can we approach this without sounding like nagging housewives from hell?"
That is my mini-rant. I was going to turn it into a thread... but I can't be arsed. 
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Originally posted by Londie:
Do they know, but not care? Do they know, care, rub their hands with glee, and say 'mua ha HAAA! Those stupid girls are doing EVERYTHING!'
Nope. It probably genuinely doesn't occur to them. It's thoughlessness, not a premediated evil plan...but yes, on average men are happier living in mess than women....on average...
Living with men is like living in a black and white Hitchcock style movie where the male character slowly drives the female character insane by making her believe that it is all in her imagination!
"Don't be silly, darling. The toilet bowl is perfectly clean. That pebble dash effect is all in your sweet, little head."
"Now, now, my angel. I haven't piled dirty dishes in the sink - see how empty it is? Oh, you must be feeling tired today."
"Sssssh, my love. There are no dirty underpants and socks all over the floor. You know I always put my dirty smalls in the laundry basket, darling. Are you sure you weren't simply having a bad dream?"
"Heh.Heh.Heh.Heh.Heh."
Lots of dream sequences and somebody falls down the stairs.
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Originally posted by Sidney:
No. It is an evil plan. It is, it is, it is.Living with men is like living in a black and white Hitchcock style movie where the male character slowly drives the female character insane by making her believe that it is all in her imagination!
Sidney. Yes. ExACTly. Here are some choice quotes from my best mnine FMM, who is girlfriend of one of the boy-flatmates:
"I had e-words with Mark and he was all 'rrarr rarr nonsense raarr
raar! hrmph! i have cleaned bathroom (a couple of times). i not paying
for cleaner!' [...] Boys, ew. I think you will find it hard to persuade them to clean to your standards. Like Mark is a bit deluded; he says: 'I'm pretty good in the kitchen too, tidying up after I use it. ' Um. right."
They don't get it. Is not about putting Marmite in cupboard. Is about mopping floor, cleaning glass screens in shower (he has NEVER DONE THIS NEVER NEVER NEVER, he let it grow like stalegmites or whatever is called), is about scrubbing toilet and scrubbing sink and scrubbing and sweeping all the time! To make nice! I'm not even a tidy person normally, but I want it nice, because it is SO nice, our beautiful new home, and they are going to piss all over it and never hoover the stairs, the ugly smelly stinky c*nts. I wish I was a lesbian (with other pretty girl lesbians with Veronica Lake hair, not butch dykes, I don't wanna be fisted.)
Idly holding a plate under a lukewarm running tap does not constitute "washing". And if you poured water into the saucepan straight after using it, it wouldn't need so much scrubbing anyhow!
I still laugh at the way Thron hangs his washing up on the clothes horse; shirts all scrunched up and flung on anyhow. And then he wonders why they take 4 days to dry!
I hate nagging though, what if I end up like my mum, pointing out that the skirting boards needed dusting? I like cleanliness, but I kinda draw the line at obsessive dusting....
Edit to reduce the blanket generalisation and say that my grandad always did the washing up after big family meals, and was most particular about it. He also washed, peeled and chopped all the veg beforehand. Mind you, my nan did have 59 years of marriage in which to train him.
[ 27 March 2003: Message edited by: Vogon Poetess ]
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Originally posted by Vogon Poetess:
Have you ever seen a man washing up? It would be funny, if you didn't have to do it again afterwards so things are safe to eat off.
arse.
i say arse.
i wash up properly. with hot hot water and soapy soapy tits. oops. sorry bubbles.
and still i get told off.
for not rinsing.
fucks sake.
i now no longer eat at home so i don't wash up.
come on, this is sooooo tired. men are shit at this and that. Ladies, You're not so critical when you're bending over in bed, are you? Oh no, it's all sweetness then. Anyway, women are just as crappy as men at tidying up, and if they're stuck with some guy who wants you to be his mother, then perhaps they shouldn't have pampered his ass into complacency.
I'm going to email Jonesy now and find out about his Respect the Cock, tame the **** gentleman friend.
[ 27 March 2003: Message edited by: Dr. Benway ]
quote:See, it takes that long. The mythical power of dangling greasy plates under a cold tap. It's a whole system of belief. I bet that's what Jedi believe you know.
Originally posted by Vogon Poetess:
Mind you, my nan did have 59 years of marriage in which to train him.
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Originally posted by Octavia:
The mythical power of dangling greasy plates under a cold tap.
Grease... is good
Actually, the only tidy man I have ever lived with is my son and I think that is because I have taught him to be this way.
[kate thornton]lol, yes, I remember when he was 2 years old and I taught him the 'dusting game'. We had a duster each and went around the house making everything shiny. He loved that game, he did, lol[/kate thornton]
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Originally posted by Londie:
The question is: do boys not notice the mess? Do they not know that if you clean things, they become nice? Do they know, but not care? Do they know, care, rub their hands with glee, and say 'mua ha HAAA! Those stupid girls are doing EVERYTHING!' or what? What? Why? what should we say? How can we approach this without sounding like nagging housewives from hell?"
Its not just boys unfortunatly:
Gemini: Olivia (Geminis old flatmate) why don't you ever dust or hoover?
Olivia: My mum doesn't dust or hoover
Gemini: But your mother has a cleaner.
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Originally posted by Londie:
They don't get it. Is not about putting Marmite in cupboard. Is about mopping floor, cleaning glass screens in shower (he has NEVER DONE THIS NEVER NEVER NEVER, he let it grow like stalegmites or whatever is called), is about scrubbing toilet and scrubbing sink and scrubbing and sweeping all the time!
I can normally only really be bothered to do a major, obsessive compulsive style cleaning attack in the bathroom when Pink goes away for a couple of days, so he's never really seen me do it. He gets really proud of himself for pouring bleach down the loo twice a year and has actually admitted that he thought pixies or something kept the room from looking a tip. Pah.
Grease.......is NOT the word.
Look at him. That's hardly the stance of a man acquainted with the long lasting properties of Fairy Liquid. I bet he's never washed up once in his entire life. Too busy trying to find socks to match his pink shirt and practising his harlem shuffle. Or something.
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Originally posted by Sidney:
[QB
Look at him. That's hardly the stance of a man acquainted with the long lasting properties of Fairy Liquid. I bet he's never washed up once in his entire life. Too busy trying to find socks to match his pink shirt and practising his harlem shuffle. Or something.[/QB]
and thats why you all wanted him to fuck you. not for his washing up prowess.
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Originally posted by Vogon Poetess:
Have you ever seen a man washing up? It would be funny, if you didn't have to do it again afterwards so things are safe to eat off.
I'm actually quite thorough when it comes to washing up in the kitchen - though I'll admit it's a skillset that didn't develop until I was past age 26 or so. The same for laundry - and while I'm now proficient with the ironing, I still consider the day I discovered wrinkle-resistant shirts to be a great day indeed. But my suspicion is that girls subconsciously want a guy who's a bit of a mess, that way you get to "fix him up a bit." I mean, why else could I possibly be still single, except for the fact that I'm already neat and tidy and perfect and all?
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Originally posted by Octavia:
Live with a Virgo. It's the only way.
What if you are said Virgo but have an allergy to anything domestic?
Mr Buns seems to think that when I finish work we'll have a spick and span home, of course he's right though, as I'll have the time to finally get round to employing a cleaner. I can't honestly think of a better thing to spend the child benefit on each month.
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Originally posted by Benwah, I think...but I've forgotten, so if it's not Benwah, sorry:
Anyway, women are just as crappy as men at tidying up
This is so true. My apartment currently looks like a bomb hit it (ok, maybe not the whole apartment, but certainly the bedroom), and it's pretty much both of our fault. This weekend will be spring cleaning weekend, I can't take it anymore...
Clue - (in) confusion (6,6).
H_G_E_ M_G_E_
I'm 95% sure that all the ones we have in already are correct, and i'm sure it should be easy but i just can't get it.
:madatselfbecauseofmyincompetencewankies:
quote:
Originally posted by Vogon Poetess:
Have you ever seen a man washing up? It would be funny, if you didn't have to do it again afterwards so things are safe to eat off.
Hang on a mo, this is a bit of a generalisation! I live alone in the house and Mrs Stefanos and myself bought last year and erm, do everything. The whole thing. Because if I don't, it doesn't get done.
I've had male and female housemates, as a student and since then. Overall, I would say that men are a little less fussy when it comes to cleaning, but there's not much in it!
I can even make a wicked loaf of bread by hand in a couple of hours, gut and fillet fish, wash Mrs Stefanos' clothes without ruining them and cook a R***n meal over a wood fire....! 
[ 27 March 2003: Message edited by: Stefanos ]
Here are some clues for you:
First part: someone who embraces
Second part: someone who attacks people (for money)
Edit to say I worked it out without cheating.
Edit again to say I worked it out before I saw Mart's clues, too.
[ 27 March 2003: Message edited by: Gail ]
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Originally posted by Gail:
HUGGER MUGGER ?
Thanks VERY much Gail and Mart
I've never heard that phrase before, but at least now the crossword is complete. Now on to the hard crossword.
[ 27 March 2003: Message edited by: SilverGinger5 ]
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Originally posted by froopyscot:
while I'm now proficient with the ironing, I still consider the day I discovered wrinkle-resistant shirts to be a great day indeed.
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Originally posted by Stefanos:I can even make a wicked loaf of bread by hand in a couple of hours
I was too harsh on Pink earlier in the thread, as on the whole we are about as tidy as each other.
However, he is a lot better at ironing than me, can make bread and makes the best yorkshire puddings ever (I've never attempted to do either, and probably never will).
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Originally posted by Vogon Poetess:
Have you ever seen a man washing up?
Hey, tar-brush lady.
I learnt to wash up in a Greek Takeaway during my tender tiny teen years. MY washing up is clinical, like a well organised militatry operation. Things are stacked by size, cutlery gets sorted, and debris disposed of. Glasses get done first. The water is painfully hot. Everything gets rinsed in painfully hot clean water, so gravity and thermal radiation does the drying up for me.
My washing up rocks.
However, I try and avoid doing it wherever possible. Those greasy kebab drip-trays left me scarred for life.
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Originally posted by Londie:
N.B. Does anyone else think this thread should be retitled [b]'Do Men Suck At Housework (Or What)?'
Nah, doesnt deserve its own thread still covers it.
kisses
I am not bad myself. I can do toast, Sainsbury's £2.49 pasta carbonara (waiting for the microwave to go "ping" is a bit of a bind though) and can pour milk over breakfast cereal.
*cough*
Seriously, Nightowl and I share chores, though she does carp on occasion about my inability to get things up to her standard. usual fare includes straightening the duvet on the bed, folding a jumper, or removing that nagging orange juicy bit from the bottom of a glass. I do my bit. What's more, she broke a wine glass a few nights ago, and blamed the sink! Grr.
I also make a mean spag bol. So there!
[btw: Pink, you haven't told us what your new car is? Not Ringo's mini, I hope...]
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Originally posted by Octavia:
Live with a Virgo. It's the only way. Sadly I failed to remember this when marrying a Scorpio.
How true this is.
I'm a Virgo. I live with two of my best mates, (we're all male), and they fucking hate it when I nag them to clean the fucking flat when they turn it into a tip.
I hate myself for doing it but I can't help it. I'm pretty anal when it comes to having a clean home. I even do ms schisms head in with my constant tidying up.
A quote from a book I read but cant remember the title sums it up best.
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From untitled boke:
A woman can make a bedsit into a home, it takes a man to turn a three bedroom house into a bedsit.
As for new car, it is a major step up from a death trap, petrol leaking, rusted floors, illegal tyres Polo. Is a silver L Reg 1.8 litre Mondeo LX, with electric windows, power steering, alloy wheels and Sony CD player. The difference is quite stunning, the best thing is that one doesnt feel as vulnerable on the road, and long drives are no longer as tiring.
kisses
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Originally posted by Pink:
Mondeo LX
Pink as a "Mondeo Man"? *Shudder*
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MissGL informed me that hovering made her feel ill
Personally, I have never tried levitating, though I have heard that it can be an exhilarating experience.
(I also feel slightly ill when hoovering - it's that strange smell I can't stand - it destroys my entire being.) 
As for being Mondeo Man, remember that I am a telegraph reading tory as well.
kisses
My own mess is fine, but other people's coffee cups, slippers or books left around are a crime punishable by death by a thousand cut(ting remark)s.
When boyf, at his own gaff even, leaves wet towels heaped on the floor so they don't dry, or at my place leaves vile shavings in the sink, or fails to dispense toothpast neatly, it makes me :madface:
Yet when he is being the picture of domesticity, washing up a pan EVEN BEFORE HE'S EATEN ITS CONTENTS, I think 'for heavens sake, just LEAVE IT you utter gaylord'.
I am indeed a dream girlfriend.
last night the luvverly and sumptous (sp?)Banana had to work late, so i went home early and....
Emptied the drier (folded the clothes so they would not need a mega ironing) took the clothes out of the washing machine and put them in the drier and re-filled the machine. Hoovered the lounge, took the rubbish out and put the dinner on so it was merrily cooking away when she came in so we could both hit the sofa and snuggle.
Why did I do this. Simply so she wouldn't have to after a hard day.
I know she does the same when I am having an epic workday or have Hockey training or some other life consuming activity. I think a point is being missed here. Housework should not be divided up based on gender but on each persons ability to do the tasks in the time they have available.
If there is a man and a woman in the house and the man was busy I would expect the woman to do the chores, just because she could and vice versa if the woman was busy etc. etc. but if either party came home after two or three busy days at a strech to a shit-hole that had not been tidied by the other party just because 'they did it last time' I think man or woman would have more than sufficient grounds to go postal and kill everyone in sight.
or summink. I know what I mean, I hope you get it from the incoherant babbling above.
I am a Virgo.
I am a Scorpio, if anyone is interested...
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: Stefanos ]
quote:
Originally posted by Teflon:
I think a point is being missed here. Housework should not be divided up based on gender but on each persons ability to do the tasks in the time they have available.
I am entirely down with this, and if you observe my posts you'll see that I'm talking about a specific situation, to do with the house I am currently living in. Three of us work fulltime two girls and one boy, while the other boy works from home. I'm at home least because i work so far away. And yet the one who is in least plus the other full-time worker girl have done all the stuff. It doesn't occur to the boys to do it, neither the full-time or the from-home worker. My questions were attempting to discover why the girls were noticing /attending to the dirt of day-to-day life, while the boys were not. I can't comment on such things as astrology since I think it is hokum: but studies (for example one published by the TUC in March 2003) show that this is not just a problem that occurs in my house: 'Women are still underpaid and overburdened with household duties...women spend more than three times as long on household chores as men: 18.5 hours a week compared with just six.' While I've yet to meet anyone my age of either sex who spends even as much as six hours per week, the fact remains that men do less housework than women, and that this is a national problem, and dismissing this, as you and (off top of head) Benway have done in this thread as 'fembot ranting' is tiresome, myopic and (dare I say) sexist.
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: Londie ]
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Originally posted by Teflon:
Why did I do this. Simply so she wouldn't have to after a hard day.
Not because it's your house/mess too?
By the way, I am also a Scorpio.
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Originally posted by Keef:
One Ex would even sometimes not let me in to her bedroom as she was so embarrassed by how untidy it was.
Keef - that was me, I'm sure of it!
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Originally posted by Sidney:
[QB]Not because it's your house/mess too?[QB]
Now you see this is where the Fembot reaction derives from.
Woman does housework - kill all men, make THEM do housework for next 2000 years or until parity is achieved, financial reparations at inner London hourly rates.
Man does housework - what, so I'm supposed to be impressed?
:swingpants:
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Originally posted by Londie:
my ... tits ... [are not] ... clad.
Sorry, this is as far as I got. Was there something after this?
:ducking:
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A woman can make a bedsit into a home, it takes a man to turn a three bedroom house into a bedsit.
white merc with fins i think
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: d666 ]
quote:
Originally posted by Londie:
dismissing this, as you and (off top of head) Benway have done in this thread as 'fembot ranting' is tiresome, myopic and (dare I say) sexist.
Erm...Please point out to me where in my post I say that wimmins should do all of the work. The point i was trying to make was that if the mens are at home and doing fuck all then they deserve to be ranted at. Not because they are (tsk) Typical men, but they are lazy bastards.The point that frustrates me is the attitude that started to permeate through this thread of 'they are men, men are dirty by nature' Some men are, all are not. Please don't tar me with that brush. I know that there are wimmin in the world that sell their mimsy for money, but if I called you a whore on this bases I would expect to be killed on site. I was agreeing with you, if you could remove you 'pink' tinted shades for a mo and read the post as an honest point of view rather than taking the wider held cliterati popularist view that all men are evil slobs, you might get my point(BTW i did note the smiley but dunno what it means, joking smiley, sarcastic smiley?? so in the spirit of consistancy )
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Originally posted by Sidney:
Not because it's your house/mess too?
Erm Sidney, you have so massively missed the point of what I was trying to say I think you should duck in case my point messes up your hair as it whooshes overhead. Also your response is excessively argumentative. I would be so impressed if after a hard day you came in looking knackered and I said 'Sidders you look knackered, stick your feet up and I will take care of everything tonight' and you countered with 'I should fucking well think so, half of it is your mess anyway' Play this scenario in your mind and see if it sounds as selfish and ungrateful as it does in mine. What do I do only tidy up my half and leave a knackered spouse to do their half, cos that is what it sounds like you would favour.
The point I am trying to make is that cleaning?washing/etc. should be gender independant it should fall to the person most equipped to do it. But as a man I am obviously ingherently..
A) lazy...
B)dismissive
c) Not in possession of any views worth listening too.
Which is odd, because in your esponse you demonstrated that you are all of these things yourself (or at least that is how it comes accross)
Manbot rant over.
i would love to know what mary daly would say if she knew that her pejorative term for fake feminists has been co-opted by the kind of person who tells a woman to duck in case his flying point messes up her hairdo. from what i know of mary, mad old goat that she is withal, i think it would tickle her pink.
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: discodamage ]
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Originally posted by discodamage:
and anyway youre all using the word 'fembot' wrong.the kind of person who tells a woman to duck in case his flying point messes up her hairdo. .
is it anything like..ermmm they Type of person who rather than coming up with a reason to offer a counterpoint to an argument, picks a single phrase and attempts to deride said point make because of it, while presuming to know what that person is like because of their use of that one phrase??
Would it be like that type of person?. would it?. Cos that type of person would either be incredibly clever or ignorant to the point of self destruction.
I may have misused the word but your post Exactly demonstrated my point about the attitude certain people seem to have.
Thanks very much.
if I sound mad about your childish non point making post then hey, guess what
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: Teflon ]
quote:
Originally posted by mart:
Teflon, I think Bamba has stolen your password.
WHA....??
THAT IDIOT!!!
quote:
Originally posted by Teflon:
Erm Sidney, you have so massively missed the point of what I was trying to say I think you should duck in case my point messes up your hair as it whooshes overhead.No, Teflon. I did not miss your point (nor do I take to the condescending tone used here). My question was genuine: in my house, the housework and childcare responsibilities are divided as equally as possible. When my partner does his share of the work, it's not as a favour to me but because it is his responsibility too. Your previous post detailed how you had come home and carried out a range of domestic tasks. You then made a point along the lines of "Why did I do this? So that my partner wouldn't have to when she got home." To me, this sounded as though you had carried out these tasks as a special and out of the ordinary favour to your partner rather than because it is something you regularly do. Of course, I may have misinterpreted this - hence the question "Not because it's your house/mess too?"
Also your response is excessively argumentative. I would be so impressed if after a hard day you came in looking knackered and I said 'Sidders you look knackered, stick your feet up and I will take care of everything tonight' and you countered with 'I should fucking well think so, half of it is your mess anyway' Play this scenario in your mind and see if it sounds as selfish and ungrateful as it does in mine. What do I do only tidy up my half and leave a knackered spouse to do their half, cos that is what it sounds like you would favour.
My response was not argumentative. It was a one line question, as explained above. Your reaction to it however, has been highly aggressive. You have also seen fit to make huge assumptions about what my reaction would be in the situation you describe. I am happy to enlighten you - in my home, we share out responsibilites as much as possible. I am also fortunate to have a caring and considerate partner who, if I do come home tired after a hard day, will happily take on more than his fair share out of love and regard for me. He doesn't feel the need to point this out to me though or feel that he deserves some sort of special recognition, as to him it is the normal, done thing. I, in return, extend the same consideration to him. This is why I love him and have done so for 13 years. So don't ever make assumptions about my reaction to anything (as you don't know me, it will only ever be an assumption on your part) nor use the words 'selfish' and 'ungrateful'.
The point I am trying to make is that cleaning?washing/etc. should be gender independant it should fall to the person most equipped to do it. But as a man I am obviously ingherently..
A) lazy...
B)dismissive
c) Not in possession of any views worth listening too.Which is odd, because in your esponse you demonstrated that you are all of these things yourself (or at least that is how it comes accross)
I really must put you right here, Teffers. I totally agree with your point that domestic duties should be gender independant. I have not accused you of being lazy or dismissive nor have I dismissed your views as worthless. This is a gross misinterpretation on your part. I am also insulted that you feel it is fair to brand me as lazy, dismissive and as having worthless views on the basis of a one line question.
In fact, I think the whole tone of your post has been rude, aggressive and somewhat pompous. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that personal insults have any place in a discussion about housework. You're bang out of order.
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: Sidney ]
quote:
Originally posted by Teflon:
Erm...Please point out to me where in my post I say that wimmins should do all of the work.
I never accused you of that. The main drift of my post was pointing out that I personally was talking about a specific situation in my house rather than generalising about all men and women. Other women on this thread have suggested that *all* men are dirty I was pointing out that I, London, had not done so. I was 'covering' my 'ass'.
quote:
Originally posted by Teflon:
. I was agreeing with you, if you could remove you 'pink' tinted shades for a mo and read the post as an honest point of view rather than taking the wider held cliterati popularist view that all men are evil slobs, you might get my point
And I was agreeing with you that's why I wrote 'I am entirely down with this' after your quote about housework being divided according to who had the most time available. 'I am entirely down with this' means 'I agree' hope the contemporary argot wasn't too befuddling.
However, I then went on to cite some statistics that seem to support the arguments of those in this thread who have suggested that, as a general rule, men do less housework than women. If statistics show that women do more housework than men, then it is logical to assume that men as a gender are less bothered by dust on the lightbulbs or whatever.
This isn't a deliberate attack on you personally, or any other man that posts here or walks the earth. There are plenty of tidy men out there my ex among them. But on the other hand to dismiss the experiental evidence of several respected posters as 'fembot ranting', when statistics would seem to suggest that they have a point seems insulting and reductive. Ya get me? That's what wound me up not your comments about the housework or who should do it, which seem entirely sensible to me, but terms like 'fembot ranting' and now 'cliterati' and 'pink tinted shades'.
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: Londie ]
sorry its not what i think i'm just listening to it at the moment.
and i think its just class and i should rant about the excellent production on this top top house track. from a fat norwegian.
Don't know if this helps the gender divide argument at all.
edit to remove spelin n gramer retardation
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: Vogon Poetess ]
quote:
Originally posted by Londie:
Got that Client single. Thought it was a bit Ladytron. Didja like Adult.?
yeah. didn't realise magus is adults mate though....
ladytron. pah. its hardwork when they're mates of mates.
anyway what did you think of carl craig. i have a feeling it wasn't really what you were after.
Perhaps I shouldn't have gone from the particular to the general - it just struck me in the last few weeks (admittedly not for the first time) that what I call "clean" is not what he calls clean. This is a gender difference reflected among most of my friends - although I am happy to accept that there are men out there who believe that cleaning a bath involves more than rinsing it down with the shower head, I have yet to meet any. It's not a feminist foot-stamping thing - pure observation, with which you are quite welcome to disagree.
quote:
Originally posted by d666:
yeah. didn't realise magus is adults mate though....ladytron. pah. its hardwork when they're mates of mates.
anyway what did you think of carl craig. i have a feeling it wasn't really what you were after.
I have to admit it sort of wasn't, but thank you for doing them for me. Wasn't so into that Arpanet stuff either. Too... dry for me. Did you like Magas? I really didn't. Ladytron: why are they so annoying? They're like Kia-Ora when all you want to do is grab a fruit off a tree and tear it open into your mouth.
edit: but then the album that's pumping my nads the mostest right now is the new Mis-Teeq record 'Eye Candy', so what do I know.
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: Londie ]
quote:
Originally posted by Sidney:
In fact, I think the whole tone of your post has been rude, aggressive and somewhat pompous....You're bang out of order.
This is exactly my feeling when I read you 'one liner' So it seems we have some common ground in that we feel equally as offended as one another.
In your one liner there is an implication that I expressed a distaste for in my post, namely the implication that I am obliged to tidy up as I am partly responsible for the mess. No-one (as you asserted in your full response) should feel obliged to do the housework, they should do it beacause it needs to be done. I apologise if you were unable to understand what I meant in my first post but I also find your assumption that I only tidy up as a 'special favour' as vulgar as any assumtion you mention I made in your post.
Also there is an extremely 'pompous and hurtful implication in the description of your domestic scene that I will comment no further on, I hope you re-read your post and see what I mean. I also apologise if you are offended and feel personally insulted by my generalisation, any feelings you might have are shared by me every time I read a post by a female board member that makes sweeping generalisations about the way men behave. I don't know why, but reading that kind of thing (in which you were participating) makes my blood boil. Maybe because I deliberately try to avoid living up to that stereotype. It sounds like you have a man that does too, more power to you both.
I am 'happy' to accept that I have offended you and apologies for that, but I still feel that if anyone was behaving in a sexist way on this thread it was you and Londie. (in my opinion) I feel you should re-read your one liner and think about how ungratefull it Does sound and also realise who offensive it could be and accept where youmay have caused offence.
I think we should stop here, as we are both trying to passionately debate a topic that we both feel strongly about in a medium that is condusive to continued misunderstanding, I have nothing against anyone on the board (I know I do not know you, but hopefully those who do will attest to my lack of spite) and do not want to give you the (further) impression that I am some hateful shithead.
That said if you are prepared to accept any unintended potentially offensive misunderstandings then I shall too so we can continue to discuss this issue. Or we can agree to disagree. your choice.
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: discodamage ]
quote:
Originally posted by Teflon:
last night the luvverly and sumptous (sp?)Banana had to work late, so i went home early and....Emptied the drier (folded the clothes so they would not need a mega ironing) took the clothes out of the washing machine and put them in the drier and re-filled the machine. Hoovered the lounge, took the rubbish out and put the dinner on so it was merrily cooking away when she came in so we could both hit the sofa and snuggle.
Why did I do this. Simply so she wouldn't have to after a hard day.
Sorry Teflon, but the above does sound rather like you want a medal.
quote:
Originally posted by discodamage:
edit for irrelevance.[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: discodamage ]
Extremely relevant and extremely wrong.
I manage to offend everyone regardless of meduim.
quote:
Originally posted by herbs:
Sorry Teflon, but the above does sound rather like you want a medal.
Then Should I add 'no, I don't want a medal' because it is the norm. I was trying to illustrate that one person should tidy not because they have to, but because it needs doing and they are better placed to do it.
I guess it would have made more sense for me to say how unhappy Banana would have been if she got home and I was up to my armpits in PS2 and the house was a mess.
But hopefully you know what I mean.
thanks also for the reasonable reponse Herbs.
quote:
Originally posted by Londie:
Horrendous housework situation
Babe, you have to get a cleaner, its the only way. It won't be much, its approx £5 per hour and there's four of you so £5 pw for 4 hours should be more than enough. Then you just have to work out the day to day stuff, but that doesn't sound like so much of a problem.
Do it. Make Mark do it. For all your sakes. I've had cleaners in quite a few flats that I've lived in - and they ROCK. I refuse to spend anymore of my life arguing over housework. If the housework is not being fairly split then get a cleaner. Life's too short to argue over dirty dishes. (And as a plus, one of our cleaners used to do ironing as well and change the bedsheets. Mm Mmmmm. I should have married her really. Don't think her husband would have approved though...)
quote:
Originally posted by Londie:
Ahem. I've been entirely reasonable.
Never said you weren't
quote:
Originally posted by Londie:
I have to admit it sort of wasn't, but thank you for doing them for me. Wasn't so into that Arpanet stuff either. Too... dry for me. Did you like Magas? I really didn't. Ladytron: why are they so annoying? They're like Kia-Ora when all you want to do is grab a fruit off a tree and tear it open into your mouth.edit: but then the album that's pumping my nads the mostest right now is the new Mis-Teeq record 'Eye Candy', so what do I know.
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: Londie ]
magus. yeah its ok.
see thing is you asked for techno. so i gave you some techno like arpanet and some proper detroit shake your booty tech and tech house. sorry.
anyway my beats is fat and i don't care.
ladytron. they is ok. i don't know 'em i just know they're mates of my bessie mates. so i cant see them as popstars.
quote:
Originally posted by mart:
Teflon, I think Bamba has stolen your password.
Screw you and all who sail in you ya ginger fucker!
I think everyone misunderstood what he meant. Which was that they look out for each other. They share the responsibilities and yeah.
I bet you Banana came home, was well pleased, ate dinner, they cuddled on the sofa and because she was so pleased they got it on. Betcha a dollar.
quote:
Originally posted by herbs:
Sorry Teflon, but the above does sound rather like you want a medal.
That's not fair, Herbs. It's turned into a `men don't do housework' thing, whatever it started out as, or intended to be.
The way I read it was that Teffers was refuting this...but if no one had said anything, it would have been a tacit admission that this is truth...
Fuck it, it's Friday....I've got several bottles of Adnam's Broadside to drink tonight and no housework to do, so what the hell, eh?
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: Stefanos ]
quote:
Originally posted by Teflon:
the implication that I am obliged to tidy up as I am partly responsible for the mess. No-one (as you asserted in your full response) should feel obliged to do the housework, they should do it beacause it needs to be done. I apologise if you were unable to understand what I meant in my first post.
Teflon - my earlier point about sharing responsibilities stands. I think we agree on this. As I also explained earlier, the point of my one line question was to establish whether my assumption was correct and not to attack you. Similarly, you could have responded to my post with "What do you mean by that?" or perhaps "I think that there are some unpleasant connotations here. Please explain." Sadly, you didn't. Once again, I am able to understand your point. Please do not patronise me any further.
quote:
Also there is an extremely 'pompous and hurtful implication in the description of your domestic scene that I will comment no further on, I hope you re-read your post and see what I mean.
Actually, no - I don't know what you mean. I described my domestic situation to counter your claim that I am generalising negatively about men. I have not done that at all as I know from experience that that would be incorrect. I have used my situation with my partner as an example of how 'How Some Men Do The Housework, Too".
quote:
every time I read a post by a female board member that makes sweeping generalisations about the way men behave. I don't know why, but reading that kind of thing (in which you were participating) makes my blood boil.
Again, I have not made any sweeping generalisations about the way men behave at all. See my point above for elaboration. Unless you are refering to my post about Hitchcock style movies - I'm seriously hoping that you do not require the insertion of a 'winkywanky' to make the point of that post clear.
quote:
I still feel that if anyone was behaving in a sexist way on this thread it was you and Londie. (in my opinion) I feel you should re-read your one liner and think about how ungratefull it Does sound and also realise who offensive it could be and accept where youmay have caused offence.
Again, I am at a loss to see how myself and Londie have behaved in a sexist way. I also do not think that my post sounded 'ungrateful' - you have attributed inferences to it that are not there/intended. Please refer to my previous post for an explanation.
quote:
That said if you are prepared to accept any unintended potentially offensive misunderstandings then I shall too so we can continue to discuss this issue. Or we can agree to disagree. your choice.
Of course, Teflon. Should I post something that offends you, or you think has negative connotations, please just ask me to explain. Similarly, whenever I direct a post at you, I shall be careful to elaborate and avoid any tones/phrases that could be misinterpreted.
quote:
Originally posted by d666:
ladytron. they is ok. i don't know 'em i just know they're mates of my bessie mates. so i cant see them as popstars.
D'you know Reuben Wu then? I used to play in a string quqrtet with him. Shit-hot violinist. Weird.
And her mum gets positively angry when I offer to do the washing up, and my girlfriend won't me do much housework, I am not sure she is down with my nambybamby liberal lifestyle.
Does anyone want to clean my apartment this weekend? I really don't feel like doing it.
quote:
Originally posted by scrawny:
D'you know Reuben Wu then? I used to play in a string quqrtet with him. Shit-hot violinist. Weird.
Really? Lol. I wrote a lascivious thing about him for a style mag called Marmalade. The piece was called 'Band Candy' and was subtitled 'forget the music, show us your bum'. It listed him as one of my many 'hott picks' along with Gonzales, Nelly etc, and went something like this: 'Ladies! Don't let that racist small penis stereotype put you off! Japanese boys are go a rich seam of immense hottness in London society! Such is the intellectual levels of my music criticism. Is he actually fit then? I just wanted a Japanese boy in my lineup, to pay back all the indie boys for their jap-girl yellow fever.
quote:
jap-girl yellow fever
Eek, I think Andrew Dice Clay as stolen Londies password.
kisses
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: Uber Trick ]
quote:
Originally posted by Amy:
Does anyone want to clean my apartment this weekend? I really don't feel like doing it.
No worries, Amy. I've booked a flight. I'll do it wearing nowt but my chainmail.
Is that OK?
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: Stefanos ]
Also a brilliant musician, which is always attractive.
quote:
Originally posted by scrawny:
D'you know Reuben Wu then? I used to play in a string quqrtet with him. Shit-hot violinist. Weird.
nah ,my mates are mates (ex band mates etc) with danny.
quote:
Is that OK?
Yeah, ok...might be interesting to see.
This thread has been hijacked.
Please remain calm; stay seated and keep your tray tables in their upright position.
Returning home (knackered) to a thread like this is brilliant.
Lurking must be the shit.
[ 28 March 2003: Message edited by: jonesy999 ]
She's now at work and will probably be home late. I have the day off work, a cupboard full of cleaning products and a washing machine raring to go.
But it's sunny...
I'm having one of those moral dilemma thingies. 
Ooh, Octavia. Do I detect a jaded air?
She just called me from work and I informed her of my dilemma. sunshine or cleaning?
Me: "I've put the bedding in the washing machine, but now I'm not sure whether I can be bothered to clean up. It's so sunny outside."
Her: "Do whatever you want" [future guilt implied through clever womanly reverse psychological mind trick]
Me: "Well, I want to tidy up. The flat is a mess..." [tries telepathic pleading hoping for a sympathitic opt-out clause]
Her: "Well what have you been doing all morning?" [implies if I hadn't been such a lazy arse I could have done all the cleaning hours ago and have the rest of the day to play in the park]
Me: "I woke up late and then read my book" [realises mistake...]
Her: "And what are you doing now?"
Me: "M'n C'm'ter" [looks at feet]
Her: "Pardon?" [I KNOW she really heard me]
Me: "I'm on computer" [realises flawed argument]
Her: "I thought the problem was between going out in the sun and housework?"
Me: "Mnnn"
Her: "Well, I'm on my lunchbreak now, I'm just going to go and run to the bank to do that errand for you" [cruelly twists the knife]
Me: "f'koo"
Her: "Well honey, why don't you go out to the park for a few hours, then come back and we can clean together tonight?" [You see what she did there? Now I know I have to clean before she gets in. I have to.]
Feminisn-scheminism, I just hate the fact that women are so damned CLEVER with these eeevil mind games. Now I feel guilty not just for not tidying up but also for not wasting time being outside in the sun! Dammit - why is doing the wrong thins so appealing!?
[ 31 March 2003: Message edited by: fish ]
Just thought I'd share.
I only thought of it, cause I was eating a Girl Scout Cookie...mmmm...it's a cookie, with peanut butter on top and then covered in chocolate. Not a cookie made out of little girl scouts.
I really need to go and buy peanut butter and raspberry jam, and make pbandj's.
Damn. I'm really hungry now.
What about you, smooth, crunchy or supa crunchy?
quote:I'm completely with you on this one MissGL, though I only really like the organic stuff - because it tastes better not for any healthier reasons.
Originally posted by missgolightly:
I'm a crunchy girl myself - smooth is a bit boring, and extra crunchy is too teeth endangering.
Thought I might just lick the crumbs & stuff off the worktop. They're mostly organic.
Well, they are by now.
While we're at it - pickled onions:
Silver skin types in a sweet vinegar or big ones in malt vinegar which make your eyes water when you bite into them?
lol herbs. No, not jaded - just (generalisation alert) men tend to want their cleaning efforts to be noticed and appreciated, where they would find it bizarre to say "thank you for cleaning the bathroom, darling" to their female housepersons.
smooth peanut butter for combination sandwiches (pb and banananananaa). but for on toast has to be crusty.
reeces pieces? reeces peanut butter cups? damn straight.
pickled chili peppers?
yeah....best way to start the day. after a hangover.
quote:
Originally posted by Octavia:
they would find it bizarre to say "thank you for cleaning the bathroom, darling" to their female housepersons.
I wouldn't find this at all bizarre. I spoke exactly those words this weekend.
quote:
Originally posted by kovacs:
I just really appreciate having things clean.
i have strange images of white paper suits and hats (like surgery teams) and forceps for picking everything up as being necessary items of clothing in chez kovacs.......
mind you i'm just jealous i've only just stopped living in the building site from hell....
quote:
Originally posted by Octavia:
Possibly you are The Chosen One?
is this like highlander chosen one or jesus christ chosen one?
*folds hands, commences pious rendition of Amazing Grace*
"I'm daaaamned! Like no other maaaan!
BTW your pants are showing.
[ 01 April 2003: Message edited by: Octavia ]